TFC 2017-2018 player Off-season moves/speculation/rumours

[T.O TILL I DIE]

Ben spencer sucks, send him to Vaughan Azzurri

[Areathrasher]

Roster that's going to LA FYI

[portu]

The main thing about Spencer is that Vanney, and Timmy went on record talking about players won't get to the first team without proving themselves on TFCII. In regard to the players that this was made in reference to, lets look at the stats.

Molham Babouli played 26 games scored 4 goals, and got 5 assists.
Raheem Edwards played 41 games scored 8 goals, and got 3 assists.

All these stats were acquired before they were promoted to the first team.

Ben Spencer played 13 games scored 0 goals, and 0 assists and was signed to the first team.

All in all he doesn't deserve these countless number of opportunities.
Some say this isn't nepotism...but I've directly heard from a teammate that Ben Spencer lives with Vanney.

Hundaal has acquitted himself better on TFC II than Ben Spencer but whatever

[Canary10]

I disagree with how he has looked. I remember Spencer looking pretty good in the Columbus rout in May, he created space, even though he didn’t score. I remember at NYCFC, Spencer making a great play in the buildup to Morgan's goal, then missing a sitter late. From that moment onward, people were done with him, all they remembered was the sitter.

I think there's a view that's he is just taking minutes from a promising young Canadian. That is totally true, but it's a different problem. Vanney is incented to try to grow US domestics, which we don't / won’t get paid for.

But that part belongs in the CPL thread. Hating Spencer (or Vanney) for that is wrong.

Really? I thought he looked like he was just wandering around, oblivious to the fact a soccer game was going on around him.

[ag futbol]

Is it too late to make an Andre Lombardo comparison? 😂

[DinamoTFC]

According to Dinamo Zagreb they turned down a TFC offer for Ivan Fiolic (21 years old).

[nonc]

Better to get Fiolic than van der Weil, but both would be nice additions if possible.

[Areathrasher]

According to Dinamo Zagreb they turned down a TFC offer for Ivan Fiolic (21 years old).

I'm only seeing one tweet from that CroSports account. Any where else backing it up?

[T.O TILL I DIE]

Is it too late to make an Andre Lombardo comparison? 😂

Never too late for a lombardo comparison 😅
Id take the real estate Andrea lombardo over Spencer

[BenRhodes23]

Lets hope Spencer proves us wrong... Negativity will only make him lose confidence and perform worse

[reggie]

why do people always need a whipping boy,he is 4-5-6 on the depth chart.maybe he will get better maybe he wont.

[DinamoTFC]

I'm only seeing one tweet from that CroSports account. Any where else backing it up?

Croatian sports website

https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/nogomet...inama/6958497/

[DinamoTFC]

why do people always need a whipping boy,he is 4-5-6 on the depth chart.maybe he will get better maybe he wont.

Because he has no heart, no fitness and scared to head a ball for someone who is 6'5

[warpus]

I have full faith in Vanney to make team selections. If Spencer is being thrown into a game, then that means that Vanney thinks that is the best thing to do at the time. It's hard for me to question the motivations of a champion - obviously his main motivation seems to be "Let's try to kick some ass"

[Areathrasher]

Croatian sports website

https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/nogomet...inama/6958497/

[19Barrett19]

SPENCER IS A PYLON! Just awful! JHams is way better period

[19Barrett19]

I would rather TFC sign Alan Gordon to a modest deal.

[Carter]

Lets hope Spencer proves us wrong... Negativity will only make him lose confidence and perform worse

Have you watched him at all the last 2 years? https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ben-...spieler/221623

[Carter]

I would rather TFC sign Alan Gordon to a modest deal.

I’d rather bring back Chad Barrett.... and that says a lot

[T.O TILL I DIE]

Id rather take Mista and Nick Garcia

[Red CB Toronto]

Id rather take Mista and Nick Garcia

Mista, Mista, who will ever forget him.

[Derko]

I stand corrected with not adding 1 assist, but not completetly wrong.

Timeline:

First assist - March 26, 2017 against Phoenix Rising
Spencer signs to the first team on May 2nd, 2017.
Goal & 2nd assist - August 27, 2017 against Charlotte Independence
3rd assist - October 15, 2017 against FC Cincinnati

MLS Stats

Ben Spencer - 0 Goals & 2 assists in 179 mins
Jordan Hamilton - 2 Goals & 2 Assists in 141 mins

say no more.

I will say more, it has been mentioned that Hamilton is a lazy fuck during practice, therefore not earning his time, I suppose

[MightyDM]

I really dislike the claims of nepotism against Vanney. I think it's irresponsible to keep peddling that.

Vanney is just making a mistake, IMO. He sees Spencer as someone he can mold into a reliable hold up striker, but I don't think it's ever going to happen. There may be an element of trying to recover sunk costs here as well, with the amount of time the club has invested in Spencer, between the move to acquire his rights, all the time spent on his rehab, etc. Literally the only complaint I have against Vanney from last year is he took valuable minutes away from Hamilton by playing Spencer. And with Akinola in the fold now I don't want any more bench strikers than we need.

it isn’t nepotism, it’s a bit of blindness for players he was part of spotting or developing. Certainly seems this way with Spencer.

[MightyDM]

I will say more, it has been mentioned that Hamilton is a lazy fuck during practice, therefore not earning his time, I suppose

I find that hard to believe. It’s more that he drifts in and out of games. But he is MLS caliber now, Spencer isn’t. That’s clear from play on the pitch.

[MightyDM]

]I disagree with how he has looked. I remember Spencer looking pretty good in the Columbus rout in May, he created space, even though he didn’t score. I remember at NYCFC, Spencer making a great play in the buildup to Morgan's goal, then missing a sitter late. From that moment onward, people were done with him, all they remembered was the sitter.[/I]

he showed some nice touches, agreed. But was also thoroughly awful in that NYC game. Cost us a goal, I think, and generally looked completely out of place.

I think there's a view that's he is just taking minutes from a promising young Canadian. That is totally true, but it's a different problem. Vanney is incented to try to grow US domestics, which we don't / won’t get paid for.

what do you mean by this Ensco
But that part belongs in the CPL thread. Hating Spencer (or Vanney) for that is wrong.

It is a very interesting insight but I don’t know what you mean. He gets a bonus for developing Americans?

[DinamoTFC]

Better to get Fiolic than van der Weil, but both would be nice additions if possible.

Fiolic is an attacking minded midfielder. Van der weil is a right back. Different position. Van der weil is the type of TAM player TFC is looking for to replace Beitashour. would be a good pick up.

[19Barrett19]

I’d rather bring back Chad Barrett.... and that says a lot

[Fort York Redcoat]

why do people always need a whipping boy,he is 4-5-6 on the depth chart.maybe he will get better maybe he wont.

Well said. Some of this talk sounds as if we have a larger investment in him than we do.

But...off season will off season.

[19Barrett19]

Javier Mascherano is leaving Barcelona. For a two year deal I wouldn't mind at all 33 years old loads of experience can play CB and CDM.

[nonc]

Fiolic is an attacking minded midfielder. Van der weil is a right back. Different position. Van der weil is the type of TAM player TFC is looking for to replace Beitashour. would be a good pick up.

I understand. Fiolic is also comfortable as a winger, which I think is most relevant as TFC have zero wing options.