I have been re-watching all of the volatile incidents over that last game and the Red Bulls really were just a bunch of thugs. TFC just has to play smart away at Columbus and finish the job in style at BMO.
I have been re-watching all of the volatile incidents over that last game and the Red Bulls really were just a bunch of thugs. TFC just has to play smart away at Columbus and finish the job in style at BMO.
I predict no change. I think the whole incident was embarrassing for the league, given what happened on the field and the referee response. Even though it is an independent panel, I suspect they will believe that big changes to the original decision will expose them to charges of incompetence and just cause a rehash of the whole thing again. I suspect they will take the easy way out. And keep in mind that decisions need to be unanimous, so it only take one person on the panel to stonewall and we are left with what we started with.
Cards remain, but Altidore gets to shave off Sachas stupid ass mustache as reconciliation
Wait, are you a Red Bulls fan? Cause that would be good for Sacha and make him look a lot better...Originally Posted by C.Ronaldo
I’d hold off on the supposed neutrality of this panel. It’s as if my boss at work also lives in my basement and “independently” supervises me in the workplace.
MLS likes to blame PRO for all the world’s problems but they are enough ties between the two where they’re heavily related.
Apparently the decision is coming tomorrow. Get those predictions in!
I say Jozy still suspended for next game. Because TFC and NYRB are high rollers on the salary front and they want to send a message, I bet they get fined $500K to NYRB and $250K to TFC.
I say both suspensions lifted but both clubs fined by the separate discipline committee.
I'm of the opinion that the league is embarrassed by the whole situation and think it'll look worse on them if they rescind anything. I'm sure they're hearing the "won't be suspended because it's playoffs" and "star players get special treatment" complaints and might look to make a statement. I won't be shocked in the slightest and actually expect the straight red remains for violent conduct and Jozy is given 3 games. This way if he isn't suspended for 3, it will be a pleasant surprise. Expect the worst so that better news is especially delightful haha
The way I see it: if you're not 100% sure about your decision then you should always fall on the side of what is best for the teams - during the play-offs at least. Otherwise it's just amateur hour.
I would think they're not going to go MLB route of suspending next year, though they might use that precedent to justify their decision.
If I was a betting man, I'd say nothing changes. No cards rescinded, no fines. This is MLS, they're just going to back whatever PRO did.
I found it interesting TFC has been practising assuming Jozy is around for the first match. They seem pretty damn confident of that security video.
I feel like they won't change anything. Maybe add additional team punishment but not take back any cards
Well yeah of course, we're going to the final regardless so better keep him sharp!
My guess is Altidore gets reduced to yellow (misses leg 1), Pornstash gets an additional game. Vanney gets fined, Marcsh gets 1 game plus a fine and NYRB gets a fine. All undisclosed amounts
This seems the most likely.
The longer it takes, the more I think they will keep everything as is and just issues fines to everyone involved..
The league probably realizes that if they do anything to help TFC and Jozy, all MLS fans will think It is a conspiracy against Columbus. Especially now that Columbus maybe moving and all of the sketchy info coming out about the sale to Precourt and the out clause and how overall the owner being a dick to their fans.
It's not the league that's deciding the red card. The appeal panel is comprised of US Soccer, the CSA, and a representative from PRO. The league is not represented.
The league could decide their own additional sanctions on the club(s) and coach(es) AFTER the panel rules. It is something different from the panel appeal process.
I suspect this is the holdup.
A decision like this would involve the Don.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
https://twitter.com/johnmolinaro/sta...54821204189186
Suspension upheld.
Away trips: 2014 - Seattle. 2015 - Montreal. 2016 - Montreal x2. Playoffs - NYCFC, Montreal. 2017 - Salt Lake, Philly, Ottawa, Montreal, Chicago, LA, Atlanta. Playoffs - NYRB, Columbus. 2018 - Monterrey, MX (Tigres) CCL, Montreal, Ottawa, Montreal. 2019 - Philly, Montreal, Seattle (MLS Cup final)
https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/1...ore-suspension
The last line in this makes me slightly worried. MLS disciplinary committee will be looking in to the incident further later this week.
I hope there’s no basis for further suspension...
Last edited by Tunnelred; 11-15-2017 at 12:55 PM. Reason: spelling
Away trips: 2014 - Seattle. 2015 - Montreal. 2016 - Montreal x2. Playoffs - NYCFC, Montreal. 2017 - Salt Lake, Philly, Ottawa, Montreal, Chicago, LA, Atlanta. Playoffs - NYRB, Columbus. 2018 - Monterrey, MX (Tigres) CCL, Montreal, Ottawa, Montreal. 2019 - Philly, Montreal, Seattle (MLS Cup final)
gaps in the video....
Yeah, that's what worries me too. The initial ruling was "violent conduct", was it not? A violent conduct red is almost always 3 games. Hope that isn't the case.
Ah well, it sucks, but we proved we can own Columbus without our DPs, so let's get it done.
so do we know if its 1 game or 3? or not known yet?
not known yet. Definitely leg 1, sounds like it's being further reviewed which implies they're investigating if it warrants a longer suspension.
Worth noting - the article says they couldn't find anything to overturn the original ruling. Meaning it is still a straight red and still for violent conduct. Which isn't great.
For now, it’s just one game, though there is a concern it could be raised to 3 after DisCo review it. As mentioned in an above post, Violent conduct is usually a 3 game suspension. If that is what Jozy got the red for, there’s every chance it could be upped.
Away trips: 2014 - Seattle. 2015 - Montreal. 2016 - Montreal x2. Playoffs - NYCFC, Montreal. 2017 - Salt Lake, Philly, Ottawa, Montreal, Chicago, LA, Atlanta. Playoffs - NYRB, Columbus. 2018 - Monterrey, MX (Tigres) CCL, Montreal, Ottawa, Montreal. 2019 - Philly, Montreal, Seattle (MLS Cup final)
#releasethetape
(mostly because I'm super curious what their case was)
TFC management changes: "like adding a new fish to your aquarium of failure." - Shakes
Why would they send a video with 'gaps'. It makes me think that Altidore probably did shove him first, and they edited it out...
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