Cheers.
My thought: was there something lost in translation? I don't deny the source but it seemed odd.
May have been like, "Sorry, too bad" or "sorry, I should have made it clear you can't do that" . Anyway now I'm speculating haha. Just seems odd that the ref would own up to anything after that unmitigated dumpster fire of a performance.
A referee that apologizes to the players during the game for a call, no matter how bad, shouldn't be reffing. Lol.
Bez indicates it was after the game. Vazquez Asked the ref if he was enforcing the 10 yards, he said no and the ref blew the whistle. Early free kick, goal should have stood it appears, hence the reason for the apology I believe.
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I know there is a lot of debate around what calls were correct. I think Globetrotter made a good point saying maybe they reduce it down to a second yellow which Jozy would still miss the next game.
I thought defensively we were very strong. I know Moore has been taking some slack in these forums but he had an exceptional match.
What was the reason for Mavinga to be subbed off? Was he hurt? or was this a tactical switch?
http://www.tsn.ca/altidore-kjelsten-...unnel-1.906338
Watch the highlights he is clearly on side. Blown call by linesman. 5th official should have let ref know to review.
I thought it was tactical.
Mavinga kept moving further and further up the pitch as the game went on - clearly being more attack focused - which is what we needed in general, Hence why Hasler was brought on for Beita
However - you can't attack at the sacrifice of your defence - hence why you bring in Hagglund, keeps the defence a bit more safe. and Hagglund is decent at making his runs when it's appropriate - as oppose to Mavinga who was trying to be more of an offensive starter
On the broadcast on TSN it was mentioned that Mavinga looked injury and wasn't moving well and waiting to be subbed off so idk.
https://imgur.com/GMoVNuP
I dont know how to upload pics nicely, but I prepared the link above.
image 1) no way you know he's conclusively offside/onside, or that it's unbelievably a bad call.
image 2) Player appears onside. TSN uploaded the video at about 10pm last night with all their special graphics. The call was not horrendous enough when done live (Osorio was not 15 yards offside). The challenge becomes the VAR limitations. VAR doesn't have a TSN yellow bar drawing a line helping the eye determine a straight line when looking on angle, let alone having to see that and correct the error conclusively within 5-10 seconds after initially seeing it. There's just no way.
In football, anything controversial, the offense will rush to the line of scrimmage to run the next play, even if that means spiking the ball and wasting a down.
In hockey, everything is slow and guided by the refs - so there's no rush to make a decision.
Baseball, you get to watch the replay, go out for tea, then come back and let the umps know if you want to challenge.
Because of the lightning pace involved in the review process - managers need a red flag (coaches challenge) to more or less stop the play, and force the refs to look at the review. Without it, Robles collects the ball, hoofs it 50 yards out of play immediately, and VAR cant do anything about it.
Our error in Atlanta was 2 fold. Moor should have run over to Bono and immediately say "I felt something hit my arm... maybe it was the ball", and Bono kick it right away to start the play - eliminating a VAR review. The other error is taking the time to get the ball from the ball kid, then lollygagging waiving your players to run up field before kicking the ball out to them (or purposely kicking out of bounds). It should have been bang-bang... close call, get the next play going no matter what.
Mavinga has clearly been playing injured. The time off will be good for him.
So how many RB fans would welcome Jozy back today?
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Sorry but your arguments do not stand.
First of all, the error was clear and since all goals are being reviewed by VAR, the referee was most likely notified that the play needs to be reviewed.
Then the referee had ample time to go back and review after the goal was scored. There is no "lightning pace " here. He just chose not to.
See below the FAQ's
https://www.mlssoccer.com/video-review/faq
Thanks - but I'm not making arguments for or against.
There's a delay between live action and anyone watching via a feed (VAR). If you're watching at home... consider yourself the VAR, and you're already behind. Now you have to review the play. How long does that take you? You rewind, pause, review, repeat, then channel that back to the field. During this 5-15 second period, do you think the keeper could pull the ball out of the net and put it in play before anyone could request a review? Of course.
This system is only a few months old and we're seeing one area that will be looked into for further improvement.
Same thing in the CLB vs ATL game. Why wasn't VAR used when CLB should have been credited with a goal? Because according to the rules, they couldn't. Guzan was smart enough to get the ball back in play so that VAR was taken out of the equation. Lightning pace. Beat the system.
Further:
Those are the rules.Upon a recommendation to the referee by the VAR for a Video Review of a potential clear error, it's the head referee's decision whether to perform a Video Review
The head referee can go back to review any incident that happens between stoppages in play. However, if play is restarted after a stoppage (ex. on a throw-in, corner kick, goal kick, free kick or drop ball) then a referee CANNOT go back to review any instances prior to that restart (except for a serious missed incident involving violent conduct or serious foul play). For that reason, the head referee may delay a restart until a VAR check of a reviewable play is complete.
Ref and linesman ruled offside. They have no immediate reason to question their own decision at the time (they make decisions every second of the game). In the next few seconds, they have to convince themselves to consider whether they had made a significant mistake. Most human beings will still believe in what they just saw with their own eyes. VAR still haven't even seen their first glimpse of this as they're time-delayed. Ref hasn't heard anything back from VAR, and seconds tick by. Eventually a team puts the ball back in play - and life moves on, no chance for review.
Actually in that instance, the ref blew the whistle before the ball went in so VAR can not be applied. Once the ref blows the play dead before the ball is in the net when there is a potential dispute about offside it becomes irrelevant. As the play is considered to be stopped and it no longer becomes a reviewable items.
IMO when offsides are close, I think the ref / linesman should let the play go and then review it. This way the offense team will not be penalized for an incorrect decision.
Well. That was an utter cluster fudge of a game. As much as I wish the lads had kept their composure it was ridiculous how much NYRB and the ref antagonized them. Jozy diving on the shove was shit but he was kicked, fouled otherwise and jawed at through the whole first half with no support from the ref so I can understand the antics no matter how disappointed I am in them. F#@K the NYRB CHUDs and that ref.
Similar story with GIO. Such a stupid yellow but man, how many times must the man be blatantly fouled without a call before he goes ballistic. TWO CLEAR PENALTIES missed and multiple ankle jambings. That said some of the tackles on him were actually fantastic. The timing was impeccable. But most of them were clear fouls.
The Jozy red should be rescinded but probably won’t be. The man was attacked from behind by the pedo-stached CHUD. SK is so lucky it was in an environment with police/officials as otherwise he’d have been absolutely crushed by Jozy. What a stupid douche baggy thing to do.
That said I’m glad we are still alive and managed to hold on against that crap disruptive/negative anti-football strategy.
I really hope we find our midsummer form magically again but I fear our chances now. Not because we are missing Jozy/Seba (we played some amazing games without them) but because the whole team seems disjointed. We will need the Victor/Michael partnership clicking to take out a very motivated Cbus.
COME ON YOU REDS!!!
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Not sure where you are getting this from. Might be true, but I would be shocked if the VAR is watching the same feed the home viewers are watching. Otherwise, VA would never be implemented. There was ample time for the VAR to request a review on that play.
Additionally, it is not the job of the VAR to overturn the call. Just alert the ref to the fact that there may be an error. The ref then reviews the play to make the final call. Personally, given the importance of the moment and the closeness of the call, I don't understand why VA wasn't used. The outcome may have been the same (too close to overturn the call on the field), but isn't the point of VA to make sure the best call is made?
Apparently TFC has security footage of the tunnel incident. What are the odds we'll ever see it?
https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2...heir-case.html
Toronto president Bill Manning said there were five security guards and three police officers around the tunnel area. But they were outnumbered by Red Bulls players and staff who confronted Toronto players up the tunnel past where the visitors should have exited to get to their dressing room.
at point, there needs to be charges for assault on a police officer
Toronto president Bill Manning said there were five security guards and three police officers around the tunnel area. But they were outnumbered by Red Bulls players and staff who confronted Toronto players up the tunnel past where the visitors should have exited to get to their dressing room.
at point, there needs to be charges for assault on a police officer
The ref was a travesty with the yards. If the player doesn't ask, then they can take it quick. If they ask, the ref is supposed to count them. Happened a couple times late in the game, where TFC asked for yards and the ref refused to count them and told them to take the kick. I get that its a time wasting technique, but the REd Bulls players were not 10 yards away, so TFC was well in their right to ask for the yards they are entitled to, but the ref refused
Yes, if the ball is still live and you're the team at fault... damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you continue play, at first stop in play there could be a review. So if natural play goes on for another 20 seconds to 5 minutes, that's much more time for VAR to make a suggested call for review.
If you put the ball right out of play, but end up not having committed any errors in the first place, then you've handed the ball over needlessly.
If you do put the ball out of play, the team that would be screaming for a review could simply take their time before doing a throw in/restarting game play. They would of course buy as much time as possible for a review.
Strategy comes into play when a possible error occurs (goal, foul, etc) and the play is whistled dead at the time. If you feel you're in danger - you want to restart ASAP.