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    Thought that it happened last year in December, its weird we haven't heard anything yet about this one. The rules were 11 players you can protect, plus GA and Homegrown player are auto protected. So, Osario, Edwards, Hamilton, and Chapman would be auto protected. So which other 11 would you like TFC to protect? And do you think LAFC would take allocation from us not to take a player like last draft? I'll start:

    Protect:
    Bono
    Mavinga
    Moor
    Hagglund
    Bradley
    Delgado
    Vasquez
    Beitahour
    Morrow
    Giovinco
    Altidore

    Left available:
    Ricketts
    Zavaleta
    Cooper
    Cheyrou
    Hernandez
    Irwin
    Hasler

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    I say expose Beitashour and keep Zavaleta...

    Beitashour is a free agent if I remember correctly and he is on a big salary hence why Vancouver got rid of him

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    What's the max number of player we can loose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    What's the max number of player we can loose?
    One.

    Personally, I think I would leave Hagglund unprotected. He's suffered two injuries now and I'm not sure LAFC would take him as a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC1154ever View Post
    Thought that it happened last year in December, its weird we haven't heard anything yet about this one. The rules were 11 players you can protect, plus GA and Homegrown player are auto protected. So, Osario, Edwards, Hamilton, and Chapman would be auto protected. So which other 11 would you like TFC to protect? And do you think LAFC would take allocation from us not to take a player like last draft? I'll start:

    Protect:
    Bono
    Mavinga
    Moor
    Hagglund
    Bradley
    Delgado
    Vasquez
    Beitahour
    Morrow
    Giovinco
    Altidore

    Left available:
    Ricketts
    Zavaleta
    Cooper
    Cheyrou
    Hernandez
    Irwin
    Hasler
    Delgado and Bono are auto protected as well (Delgado is HG, carry-over from Chivas USA, and Bono is GA for now, unless he graduates)


    My list

    Auto-Protected (HG & GA):
    Delgado
    Bono (unless he moves off GA contract)
    Hamilton
    Spencer
    Morgan
    Chapman
    Camargo

    Protect:
    Zavaleta
    Mavinga
    Moor
    Hagglund
    Bradley
    Osorio
    Vasquez
    Beitahour
    Morrow
    Giovinco
    Altidore

    Left available:
    Cooper
    Cheyrou
    Edwards
    Hernandez
    Irwin
    Hasler
    Ricketts

    LAFC would probably take Irwin or Cooper off our hands (Hasler/Edwards - small sample size, Cheyrou/Hernandez - age/retire?)
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    Oso? Protect for depth or expose?

    And isn't Edwards considered a homegrown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woolly View Post
    Oso? Protect for depth or expose?

    And isn't Edwards considered a homegrown?
    According to the MLS roster site, Edwards is a normal player (I think because he was signed from TFC2, not directly from the Academy but, could also be a mistake on their end).

    I just plain forgot Osorio, added him in. Would now drop Zavaleta (if needed) for Bono.
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    It's getting tough having so many good players. My guess is that any of the FA's that are asking for significant raises are going to find themselves on the wrong end of protection.

    Also, when the hell does MLS release the new salary cap/ Garber bucks rules? That might change many things.

    Lastly, looking at this roster... If the other teams don't get a whole lot better next year, we stand a good chance of steamrolling the opposition again.

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    I'd keep Zavaleta and Osorio... I also might consider protecting Hasler over Beitashour and buying him back if he gets picked

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    Beitashour is a free agent at the end of the season. No reason to protect him.


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    I posted this is the in-season moves speculation thread a few days ago. Osorio isn't homegrown and not auto protected, Delgado, despite being a HG via Chivas, must also be protected based on last year

    oncerning the LA FC expansion draft at the end of the season.

    For reference, this was our list for the Atlanta/Minnesota expansion draft

    Last year

    PROTECTED UNPROTECTED
    Altidore, Jozy
    Bradley, Michael
    Cooper, Armando
    Delgado, Marco (HG via Chivas)
    Endoh, Tsubasa
    Giovinco, Sebastian
    Hagglund, Nick
    Moor, Drew
    Morrow, Justin
    Osorio, Jonathan
    Zavaleta, Eriq

    Automatically Protected:
    Bono, Alex (GA)
    Chapman, Jay (HG)
    Hamilton, Jordan (HG)
    Manella, Chris (HG)
    Morgan, Ashtone (HG)


    New Additions in 2017
    Sergio Camargo (HG - auto protected)
    Brandon Aubrey
    Chris Mavinga
    Victor Vasquez
    Raheem Edwards
    Jason Hernandez
    Oyvind Alseth
    Mark Pais
    Ben Spencer (Homegrown apparently via RSL- auto protected?)
    Nicolas Hasler
    Babouli Molham
    Beitashour, Steven
    Bloom, Mark
    Cheyrou, Benoit
    Irwin, Clint
    Johnson, Will
    Lovitz, Daniel
    Ricketts, Tosaint
    Roberts, Quillan (HG?)
    Simonin, Clement
    Williams, Josh


    Depending on options and contract expirations, from the new additions, Vasquez is a must protect, with possibilities to Mavinga, Edwards, and Hasler. I could see them unprotecting Cooper and Endoh for Vasquez and one of Mavinga/Hasler (since we had to protect a certain number of intl's), and maybe drop Hagglund/Osorio for Hasler/Edwards
    I could see them not protecting Drew Moor. He can be a free agent at the end of the season. So, if they do a side agreement, where they have a contract agreed upon but don't officially sign him until free agency, could protect an additional player. Beitashour is also a FA this offseason

    Last year, a minimum of 3 internationals had to be protected. So my protect list would be
    Giovinco (Itnl), Mavinga (Intl), Vasquez (Intl), Altidore, Bradley, Delgado, Morrow, Osorio, Zavaleta, Hasler or Edwards, (last spot is Moor if signed, Hasler or Edwards if Moor unsigned and heading to FA)

    Auto: Bono, Chapman, Camargo, Hamilton, Morgan, Spencer?

    Unprotected: Cooper, Endoh, Hagglund, Beitashour (FA), Cheyrou, Irwin, Ricketts, Aubrey, Hernandez, Alseth, Pais, (one of Moor/Edwards/Hasler)
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    I fucking hate that this is even a discussion we have to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossington Mental Youth View Post
    I fucking hate that this is even a discussion we have to have
    Cheer up! It used to be so bad that we didn't have to worry about someone picking up our awful players, and most of them never stuck around long enough for it to matter.

    This is a nice problem to have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by woolly View Post
    Cheer up! It used to be so bad that we didn't have to worry about someone picking up our awful players, and most of them never stuck around long enough for it to matter.

    This is a nice problem to have...
    Nobody drafted Raivis Hščanovičs. Shocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Nobody drafted Raivis Hščanovičs. Shocking.

    Maybe they tried, but gave up when they spelled his name wrong eleventy billion times.

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    I guarantee you they protect Hagglund and Zavaleta at all costs, including exposing Beita and Moor, if necessary.

    Young cheap effective domestics were the one thing this team never got right until this regime.

    Let's face it, this group can find vets to fill holes.

    How they decide amongst Ricketts/Beita/Moor, I am not sure. Tough.
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    The long list of unprotected names looks scary. But remember we'll lose at most one player. The way the team has dealt with injuries and other absences all season, there isn't a single un-replaceable player on the team. (For me, Vazquez comes closest.) So basically I've decided not to worry about the expansion draft.

    A bigger issue will be contract renegotiation and free agency, after so many players have had great seasons. Garber bucks/cap increases, special allo cash for CCL etc. will help a bit, but I'm sure we will be sad about some of the players we lose.

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    Yeah, I'm with you on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    I guarantee you they protect Hagglund and Zavaleta at all costs, including exposing Beita and Moor, if necessary.

    Young cheap effective domestics were the one thing this team never got right until this regime.

    Let's face it, this group can find vets to fill holes.

    How they decide amongst Ricketts/Beita/Moor, I am not sure. Tough.

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    After yesterdays game, I think Beita and Zavs could be more likely candidates to be unprotected, and protecting Ricketts and Cooper.

    Zavs is a maybe, but Beita has not been as dominant since his injury.

    On the other hand, I would not want Ricketts to play against us. Although he's only coming off the bench, his goals per minute rate is insane this year.

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    Beita probably. No way in hell they protect Cooper.

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    LAFC will already be talking to teams about what they can get to draft a player and then trade them back - like we did with Irwin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woolly View Post
    After yesterdays game, I think Beita and Zavs could be more likely candidates to be unprotected, and protecting Ricketts and Cooper.

    Zavs is a maybe, but Beita has not been as dominant since his injury.

    On the other hand, I would not want Ricketts to play against us. Although he's only coming off the bench, his goals per minute rate is insane this year.
    They will not protect Beitashour.
    a) Hasler is younger and better
    b) He makes a pretty large salary for a non-DP ($264,000)
    c) He is a free agent

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    I think Zavaleta will be protected and Beitashour won't. It'll be sad if he's leaves but Hasler is better

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    I also think Moor will be protected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Initial B View Post
    One.

    Personally, I think I would leave Hagglund unprotected. He's suffered two injuries now and I'm not sure LAFC would take him as a choice.
    Yep. Add Hagglund and Beta to the available list and keep Hasler and Zavaleta. Either way this is a great problem to have - a few years ago we would have three, maybe four players we'd actually like to keep on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy View Post
    Yep. Add Hagglund and Beta to the available list and keep Hasler and Zavaleta. Either way this is a great problem to have - a few years ago we would have three, maybe four players we'd actually like to keep on the roster.
    Zavaleta will be left unprotected. Hagglund is the guy you wanna keep.
    Zavaleta us just a defender - but Hagglund is that and has better skills on the ball, that's what this team needs.

    As for Moor - I think the plan may be to not sign him until after the draft. If he gets picked by LA - can't he just say no to signing with them and sign with us? I have a feeling that the Irwin situation from last year will play out with Moor this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post

    As for Moor - I think the plan may be to not sign him until after the draft. If he gets picked by LA - can't he just say no to signing with them and sign with us? I have a feeling that the Irwin situation from last year will play out with Moor this year.
    I agree on Moor. Seems like a perfect loophole. Wouldn't be like the Irwin situation. Irwin was already under contract, Moor is not. LA could pick him, but they'd lose him for nothing. We could just sign him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    LAFC will already be talking to teams about what they can get to draft a player and then trade them back - like we did with Irwin.
    Especially if TAM goes up like some are saying. TAM is going to be flying all over the place.
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    Waking The Red thinks that we won't protect: Moor, Hasler, Ricketts, Osorio, Beitashour, Alseth, Cheyrou, Cooper, Endoh, Hernandez, Irwin, Pais

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenRhodes23 View Post
    Waking The Red thinks that we won't protect: Moor, Hasler, Ricketts, Osorio, Beitashour, Alseth, Cheyrou, Cooper, Endoh, Hernandez, Irwin, Pais
    I really hope they take Osorio... most overrated TFC player of all time. He wouldn't even be a difference maker in the 4th league in England.
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