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    Quote Originally Posted by SoccMan2 View Post
    A format I would like to see instead of the two games total goals the away goals rule, is a two game home and away total points series. Therefore , same as regular season play, 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie. After two games whoever has more points wins. If it’s tied on points after two games you go to extra time then penalty kicks. The big advantage of this is that teams will be always in it going to the second game regardless of how many goals they lost by in the first game. With the way it is now let’s be realistic if a team has a bad game in the first game and loosing 4 to 5 nothing it’s basically over and the second game is meaningless 99 percent of the time no team is coming back from that kind of deficit, so say a team loses the first game away 4 to 5 nothing you will have fans who bought tickets to the home game of the series going to watch a game that their home team has no realistic chance of coming back which sucks, however if it was a total points series the team that just got clobbered in the first game still has a chance to win the game by whatever score and force extra time in the second game, therefore, a team is realistically always in it no matter how badly they lost the first game, God forbid TFC gets clobbered in Columbus BMO Field will be a morgue in the second game at home with a lot of no shows because realistically if you lose say 4 and 5 nothing in the first game there is no coming back in this present system.
    You do realize that that's essentially what the two legs are, right? It is a 2-team group where you play every team (in this case, just 1 other team) home and away.

    We already have the points system, if you think about it. If you win both games, then you have 6 points and your opponent has 0. If you win one, and tie the other, you have 4 points; your opponent has 1 point. If you both win a game, or both matches are draws, then you are equal on points. In a group stage what's the first tie breakers you ask?

    1. Goal differential in all matches (or in just the matches against the opponent you are tied with if you go with the UEFA tie breakers, in this case being just the one team so doesn't mater).
    2. Total goals scored (same as above in terms of all matches or just your opponent)
    3. Total goals scored away from home (ditto)

    If still tied after the above, that's where you get the funny rules of fair play, drawing of lots, etc. Since this is a 2-team group, however, you can skip those and use Extra Time and then Penalties. So in other words that's where the aggregate system comes from.

    People get really fixated on the total goals/aggregate/away goals rule because it's included in the score keeping, but it truly doesn't take effect until the two matches are over. They are just tie breakers in the event you both win a game or you tie both. The only difference between what currently exists and what you are proposing is the tie breakers that prevent Extra Time and Penalties. The whole point of using goals as a tie breaker is to encourage goal scoring from both teams, and the reason for the away goal rule is to prevent teams from bunkering down when playing away. Seattle won the MLS Cup because it was a single match. They had no real incentive to attack and therefore took the match to penalties.

    The aggregate rules are designed to prevent more games from going to penalties. And you want to implement changes to increase the number of series that end with penalties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcolvy View Post
    It is perfectly fair. No matter if it is a 2 game or 7 game series, cumulative scores don’t make sense.
    Agree to disagree.
    Cumulative scores are making the most sense... it's not same winning with 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 or 4-3 vs winning to 5-0, 6-1, 7-2 or 8-3.

    Plus if the score would not count at all, this would encourage teams down 2-3 goals by the 60-th minute to give a shit about the final result, knowing they can't come back to a draw.
    It would not matter if they lose by 2-3 goals or by 6-7 goals, right?

    They would take out their best 3 players, and more so, would even fake 1-2 injuries to take out other 1-2 good players (and play the rest of the game in 10 or 9 men), in order to rest all these players for the next leg. These parts of the games would be meaningless shitshows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaEatingYeti View Post
    Agree to disagree.
    Cumulative scores are making the most sense... it's not same winning with 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 or 4-3 vs winning to 5-0, 6-1, 7-2 or 8-3.

    Plus if the score would not count at all, this would encourage teams down 2-3 goals by the 60-th minute to give a shit about the final result, knowing they can't come back to a draw.
    It would not matter if they lose by 2-3 goals or by 6-7 goals, right?

    They would take out their best 3 players, and more so, would even fake 1-2 injuries to take out other 1-2 good players (and play the rest of the game in 10 or 9 men), in order to rest all these players for the next leg. These parts of the games would be meaningless shitshows.
    Precisely! The reason the Toronto-Montreal conference final last year is considered the best MLS playoff series of all time is due to the number of goals scored. If we removed goals as a tie-breaker, the first match would likely have ended 3-0 for Mtl, and the second 1-0 for TFC. Likely a lot more boring than the 12 goals we got last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAOK17 View Post
    Precisely! The reason the Toronto-Montreal conference final last year is considered the best MLS playoff series of all time is due to the number of goals scored. If we removed goals as a tie-breaker, the first match would likely have ended 3-0 for Mtl, and the second 1-0 for TFC. Likely a lot more boring than the 12 goals we got last year.
    It would have also lacked the intensity in game 1 once Montréal was ahead.

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    So I tried to watch the return game of the Croatia and Greece World Cup qualifying playoff, Croatia won the first game 4 -1 at home this game is hard to watch because Greece by loosing the first game 4-1 in Croatia have no chance of coming back , empty stadium in Greece for this match because of this stupid aggregate away rules garbage the Greek fans know it’s over because of what happened in the first game in Croatia, however, if it was a two goal total points you would have a full stadium in Greece because the fans would know that all the Greeks would have needed was a victory in the second game to force extra time , but with this aggregate system this game is over before it started!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoccMan2 View Post
    So I tried to watch the return game of the Croatia and Greece World Cup qualifying playoff, Croatia won the first game 4 -1 at home this game is hard to watch because Greece by loosing the first game 4-1 in Croatia have no chance of coming back , empty stadium in Greece for this match because of this stupid aggregate away rules garbage the Greek fans know it’s over because of what happened in the first game in Croatia, however, if it was a two goal total points you would have a full stadium in Greece because the fans would know that all the Greeks would have needed was a victory in the second game to force extra time , but with this aggregate system this game is over before it started!
    There's an easy solution for this:
    Don't fuck up the first game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatpicker View Post
    There's an easy solution for this:
    Don't fuck up the first game.
    Exactly. A 1-0 win shouldn't equal the same as a 4-1 win. The better team advanced.

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    Did i miss the season seat holder presale for extra tickets or do we not get that chance this round?

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    Haven't seen anything - public sale or SSH sale. Still 2 weeks out, but FO should get on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fergiejr View Post
    Haven't seen anything - public sale or SSH sale. Still 2 weeks out, but FO should get on this.
    TFC communicated that early access for those that download the TFC app was to be tomorrow (the 14th). I asked the TFC STH twitter account about a week ago and was told "Most likely morning of the 14 " (for STH) but haven't heard a peep...guessing something changed and the dates have slipped but again that's just a guess.

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    Just got the email about the SSH presale tomorrow at 10 am. They say they will email a code in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoccMan2 View Post
    So I tried to watch the return game of the Croatia and Greece World Cup qualifying playoff, Croatia won the first game 4 -1 at home this game is hard to watch because Greece by loosing the first game 4-1 in Croatia have no chance of coming back , empty stadium in Greece for this match because of this stupid aggregate away rules garbage the Greek fans know it’s over because of what happened in the first game in Croatia, however, if it was a two goal total points you would have a full stadium in Greece because the fans would know that all the Greeks would have needed was a victory in the second game to force extra time , but with this aggregate system this game is over before it started!
    Well Extra Time is a Tie breaker.

    So lets see... 4-1 = 3 points.
    Greece wins the second 1-0 3 points.

    First tie breaker is GD.

    Croatia 2 Greece -2 Croatia wins.
    No need for any other tie breakers.

    Extra time should only occur as the last tie breaker. Why play longer needlessly.

    GD
    Away goals
    extra time.

    oh wait.. that is exactly how it is now. Just we keep the aggregate score as the first tie breaker is Goal Differential. If the Aggregate score favors one time the Goal Differential does too.

    Extra time is the third tie breaker, PKs in MLS is the 4th.

 

 

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