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    The BMO Field Sunday Night Massacre

    Wow.

    If true I like the sense of urgency. The Panama game was the last straw. This can’t go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Joking

    Maybe they got a sudden offer to go to the Middle East
    The next TAM target is a head groundskeeper, didn't you know?

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    Waitaminit, weren't we all just extolling the praises of the grounds crew back at the end of 2017, beginning of 2018? Are these the same people who were just fired/quit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Initial B View Post
    Waitaminit, weren't we all just extolling the praises of the grounds crew back at the end of 2017, beginning of 2018? Are these the same people who were just fired/quit?
    Mostly no, and hell yes.

    The turf was terrible in CCL last March/April. The team was spinning it, but I bet 75% of people on here knew it was bs. That's the way I remember it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Initial B View Post
    Waitaminit, weren't we all just extolling the praises of the grounds crew back at the end of 2017, beginning of 2018? Are these the same people who were just fired/quit?

    Everything 2017 has to die in order for TFC to rise again.

    (Only slightly facetious)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Everything 2017 has to die in order for TFC to rise again.

    (Only slightly facetious)
    I like this.

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    Doesn't anyone find it strange that it was posted like that?

    I thought they would quietly go about informing hiring agencies of new job openings. This seems over the top regardless if the account is private.

    Seems like management want to feed our bloodlust.

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    I could see them all quitting.

    The amount of abuse they take is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James17930 View Post
    I could see them all quitting.

    The amount of abuse they take is ridiculous.
    The head groundskeeper just got a promotion not too long ago, he didn’t quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wynne View Post
    The head groundskeeper just got a promotion not too long ago, he didn’t quit.
    You mean ole Sandy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    You mean ole Sandy?
    Correct. A huge spending spree on equipment that was suppose to make the field top notch, along with promises that weren’t kept. As bad as the winter here is/was, what they played on against Panama was disgraceful.

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    The jobs have been posted on the MLSE career section.

    Head Groundskeeper
    https://chu.tbe.taleo.net/chu03/ats/...ws=39&rid=4212

    Ground Crew
    https://chu.tbe.taleo.net/chu03/ats/...ws=39&rid=4098
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    Wow.

    I can't say it isn't warranted though.

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    Minimum wage basically, nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Doesn't anyone find it strange that it was posted like that?

    I thought they would quietly go about informing hiring agencies of new job openings. This seems over the top regardless if the account is private.

    Seems like management want to feed our bloodlust.
    Yes it does seem very strange. However considering the situation, the complaints in past years, the concerns about the Argos groundshare, all the massive investments and promises for this year, followed by the awful field condition vs. CAI, they probably figured it's best to send a public message, also intended for the players, media and fans.

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    OK even stranger: check the responses to the original tweet that notthesun posted:


    This guy tweeted a response: @Johnny_hena
    Lol it’s about time the head grounds keeper got canned, that guy knows nothing
    The BMO Grounds Crew account @TFC_GroundsDept responded:
    He didn't get canned. Also he was a wealth of knowledge. What's your lawn look like right now?

    So apparently at least the top guy wasn't fired?! Perhaps he quit after the recent criticism? I don't know what to believe. And still strange that when there are personnel changes on the go, with the official job postings out, that this official account would respond to a tweet like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auzzy View Post
    OK even stranger: check the responses to the original tweet that notthesun posted:


    This guy tweeted a response: @Johnny_hena


    The BMO Grounds Crew account @TFC_GroundsDept responded:



    So apparently at least the top guy wasn't fired?! Perhaps he quit after the recent criticism? I don't know what to believe. And still strange that when there are personnel changes on the go, with the official job postings out, that this official account would respond to a tweet like that.
    Again, if he did quit, I truly don't blame him, and I even think he deserves some compensation. It is beyond the pale the type of abuse that got thrown at him over a job so mundane as growing grass.

    If he truly didn't have the right answers and they can find someone better I'll eat my words, but I feel everyone's expectations of what the pitch should look like in February we're way too high.

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    I agree this is a thankless, tough job but it's hard to argue that the pitch was as good as it could have been regardless of weather. Even compared to some NFL fields in January while in use, ours seems worse. I'm talking like Green Bay too. I realize it's different to have a ball rolling on it but I have never seen anything like the beach we had in the CCL match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James17930 View Post
    Again, if he did quit, I truly don't blame him, and I even think he deserves some compensation. It is beyond the pale the type of abuse that got thrown at him over a job so mundane as growing grass.

    If he truly didn't have the right answers and they can find someone better I'll eat my words, but I feel everyone's expectations of what the pitch should look like in February we're way too high.
    It shouldn't have been drenched in sand. Full stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James17930 View Post
    Again, if he did quit, I truly don't blame him, and I even think he deserves some compensation. It is beyond the pale the type of abuse that got thrown at him over a job so mundane as growing grass.

    If he truly didn't have the right answers and they can find someone better I'll eat my words, but I feel everyone's expectations of what the pitch should look like in February we're way too high.
    FYI - He didn't quit, still here.

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    Well, as I said, if I'm wrong I'll eat my words, but I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    FYI - He didn't quit, still here.
    I guess they are just appointing someone else with more knowledge over him (maybe with specific grassmaster knowledge).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    I guess they are just appointing someone else with more knowledge over him (maybe with specific grassmaster knowledge).
    No. He's gone up the chain.

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    I think the grounds crew have been terrible, but it's not the issue. It's a sideshow.

    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.

    Here's some highlights of a Europa League match in Kharkiv Ukraine on Feb 15. This is on desso, the widely acknowledged solution for cold weather grass.

    When you watch this, remember that Ukraine is a relatively poor country in a state of semi-civil war btw

    http://www.soccerhighlightstoday.com...ighlights.html

    Kharkiv is colder than Toronto, and gets more snow
    https://weatherspark.com/m/99982/2/A...harkiv-Ukraine
    https://weatherspark.com/m/19863/2/A...Toronto-Canada

    So why don't we have desso?

    Because it doesn't work for multiuse with American football. This is exactly the issue Wembley has btw, they use desso (as does almost every major pitch in the UK), they keep trying solutions to try to figure it out, and there aren't any. Wembley keeps relaying it, which is ridiculously expensive, and isn't working, as relaying it only works as an offseason solution and breaks down once the multiuse starts.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/n...could-continue

    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.

    If you think Bill Manning can figure out a solution that Wembley, the English FA and Spurs have been unable to solve for 10 years, then you really do believe in miracles.

    The solution is to use desso, and stop the multiuse. Then we'd have that field in Kharkiv.
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    Bingo, we have a winner!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    i think the grounds crew have been terrible, but it's not the issue. It's a sideshow.

    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.

    here's some highlights of a europa league match in kharkiv ukraine on feb 15. This is on desso, the widely acknowledged solution for cold weather grass.

    When you watch this, remember that ukraine is a relatively poor country in a state of semi-civil war btw

    http://www.soccerhighlightstoday.com...ighlights.html

    kharkiv is colder than toronto, and gets more snow
    https://weatherspark.com/m/99982/2/a...harkiv-ukraine
    https://weatherspark.com/m/19863/2/a...toronto-canada

    so why don't we have desso?

    Because it doesn't work for multiuse with american football. This is exactly the issue wembley has btw, they use desso (as does almost every major pitch in the uk), they keep trying solutions to try to figure it out, and there aren't any. Wembley keeps relaying it, which is ridiculously expensive, and isn't working, as relaying it only works as an offseason solution and breaks down once the multiuse starts.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/n...could-continue

    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.
    the issue is the argos and the ground share.

    if you think bill manning can figure out a solution that wembley, the english fa and spurs have been unable to solve for 10 years, then you really do believe in miracles.

    The solution is to use desso, and stop the multiuse. Then we'd have that field in kharkiv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    No. He's gone up the chain.
    OK, now I feel a bit better becasue letting him go at this time of year would be bad.

    BUT...wait a minute...there's a place to go from head groundskeeper? I thought they just retired to be a consultant over beers.

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    I said it many times but the modular turf is the only thing that will work for Argos and for our February matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    I think the grounds crew have been terrible, but it's not the issue. It's a sideshow.

    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.

    Here's some highlights of a Europa League match in Kharkiv Ukraine on Feb 15. This is on desso, the widely acknowledged solution for cold weather grass.

    When you watch this, remember that Ukraine is a relatively poor country in a state of semi-civil war btw

    http://www.soccerhighlightstoday.com...ighlights.html

    Kharkiv is colder than Toronto, and gets more snow
    https://weatherspark.com/m/99982/2/A...harkiv-Ukraine
    https://weatherspark.com/m/19863/2/A...Toronto-Canada

    So why don't we have desso?

    Because it doesn't work for multiuse with American football. This is exactly the issue Wembley has btw, they use desso (as does almost every major pitch in the UK), they keep trying solutions to try to figure it out, and there aren't any. Wembley keeps relaying it, which is ridiculously expensive, and isn't working, as relaying it only works as an offseason solution and breaks down once the multiuse starts.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/n...could-continue

    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.
    The issue is the Argos and the ground share.

    If you think Bill Manning can figure out a solution that Wembley, the English FA and Spurs have been unable to solve for 10 years, then you really do believe in miracles.

    The solution is to use desso, and stop the multiuse. Then we'd have that field in Kharkiv.
    Spurs did solve it by the way, but I don't think we'll be going the route of portable pitch we wheel in over the football field any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    OK, now I feel a bit better becasue letting him go at this time of year would be bad.

    BUT...wait a minute...there's a place to go from head groundskeeper? I thought they just retired to be a consultant over beers.
    Wait, he's gone up... Maybe he's the head lightkeeper now, and they'll get somebody else to take care of the grounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wynne View Post
    Correct. A huge spending spree on equipment that was suppose to make the field top notch, along with promises that weren’t kept. As bad as the winter here is/was, what they played on against Panama was disgraceful.
    What promises weren't kept?

 

 

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