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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    What isn't disputable is they are asking everyone to sign it. So they took an incident where they could single out a "bad" supporters group (I use the quotes specifically) and chose to pick a fight with all supporters groups. So yeah, they made it bigger at a time where there were lots of ways to de-escalate.

    As far I know,only Inebriatti were asked to sign code of conduct,because it was their 3rd/4th offense no other group. I might be wrong,I'm sure Phil can confirm that fro RPB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoodson View Post
    policing the section is to the allocated seats for the SG not the entire section.
    How do they know which seats are allocated to who in each section? Sure if you relocated during the SG relocations, but what if you were there from the beginning? Or chose to be far back in a section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoodson View Post
    Again, what is the issue...

    As earlier in the thread Denime stated the full paragraph about policing the section is to the allocated seats for the SG not the entire section. Until the full contract is posted there is no way to determine the issues fully.
    Not just me,Larson wrote that too,I think he posted here in some of his previous posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    How do they know which seats are allocated to who in each section? Sure if you relocated during the SG relocations, but what if you were there from the beginning? Or chose to be far back in a section?
    If someone dos something stupid while in your seat,he will be asked to show his ticket,they do that all the time,as long he/she does not have your ticket,you don't have to worry.
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    Here's one for example, what if that dumbass who said that stupid line to the female reporter last year and caused the that whole stir borrowed his buddies RPB scarf and was wearing it during that interview? All you guys would say you didn't know him because you obviously wouldn't and you'd be right where the Inebriatti are now. Now I am not saying the Inebriatti didn't know the guy or anything because that's not my concern. My concern is how this new rule can be interpreted and enforced. Not saying it's 100% terrible but unless it's clarified a lot then it's too vague to be considered fair to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    If someone dos something stupid while in your seat,he will be asked to show his ticket,they do that all the time,as long he/she does not have your ticket,you don't have to worry.
    In the case of this two stick guy, did they get him at the time or later on camera? I didn't hear that part.

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    [QUOTE=TheGoodson;1813756]So let me understand these issues with that specific SG:

    they didn't cause the damage in Montreal (it was someone else)
    some random fan is going to make a two stick bring it into their section? (and no where else in the southend and it was someone else)

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    Considering the Sun article was a blatantly FO using Larson as its' mouthpiece it only stands to drive the wedge even deeper between the two sides.
    That's a little harsh. They may give him some information to get across their pov but he is an independent journalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    In the case of this two stick guy, did they get him at the time or later on camera? I didn't hear that part.
    not sure,2 guys one of them was a ineebs member.

    That rule is not new rule,as far I know it was presented in an agreement between FO and SGs, question is,did anyone read the rules?

    I think last incident with ineebs,triggered signing code of conduct letter.

    Lets not forget they got punished for Montreal disaster with 1 game No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo,
    for ripping seats in their section I think 2 games No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo,
    and 2 stick No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo, no idea for how long and why that letter was brought up after 3rd strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    How do they know which seats are allocated to who in each section? Sure if you relocated during the SG relocations, but what if you were there from the beginning? Or chose to be far back in a section?
    Not being a member of a SG I don't know, maybe someone in the membership team can clarify this...

    But I would think that most SG which are membership based know where their members sit and could easily communicate this to the front office.

    At the end of the day, as I stated earlier we need to see the full unedited contract before jumping to conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Here's one for example, what if that dumbass who said that stupid line to the female reporter last year and caused the that whole stir borrowed his buddies RPB scarf and was wearing it during that interview? All you guys would say you didn't know him because you obviously wouldn't and you'd be right where the Inebriatti are now. Now I am not saying the Inebriatti didn't know the guy or anything because that's not my concern. My concern is how this new rule can be interpreted and enforced. Not saying it's 100% terrible but unless it's clarified a lot then it's too vague to be considered fair to everyone.
    There is always a dialogue. Its up to each group on how that occurs. Its always been a concern that someone could rep your group, but for us its easy to track who our members are because we choose to organize in that way. Any information that I have seen always puts the onus on the individual first, then they can ask for SG help second, and then it gets more choppy if there is suspicion involved. Not knowing any of the facts here, I can't comment on what the issue is, but its fairly clear with what I heard last game and some quick dialogue with TFC that there is a misunderstanding regarding wording and expectation. I
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    Listen I was escorted out of the stadium for doing something a bit stupid a few years ago, after having a few too many, security looked at my ticket and escorted me out, my fault no bones about it. I seem to recall a few years back TFC supporters groups took pride in policing themselves and when incidents occurred, such as flares, dust ups, other things that we could take as dodgy security was actually directed to the offenders, by our supporters. Now I only saw the 2 stick banner after it was reported, I thought it was in poor taste, and you cannot control the actions of individuals and agree that having to sign a document is a bit too far, but I was at the away game in Montreal last year when the flares where set off, I personally don't like it. Inebriatti were deemed responsible for that incident( I don't know how it was proven, perhaps self admission of the event) move on to first home game, seats ripped out in Inebriatti section, move forward to 2 stick banner incident, happens to have been in Inebriatti section again, I ask is it honestly just coincidence?

    Whether it is right or wrong If you keep hanging around the barn, you start smelling like shit. It is just the way things are perceived. I think Inebriatti is being perceived as an intimidating, reckless group by the actions of the few whom may or may be not affiliated with the group. I'm sorry but self policing by the supporters groups is part of it like it or not, if not the mob mentality takes over.

    Back on to topic, TFC should have really taken advantage of a poor defense, Jonathan practice some fucking shooting FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    As far I know,only Inebriatti were asked to sign code of conduct,because it was their 3rd/4th offense no other group. I might be wrong,I'm sure Phil can confirm that fro RPB.
    Ok, thanks for clarifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoodson View Post
    Jonathan practice some fucking shooting FFS.
    The whole team needs to work on finishing. I've seen rep teams do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    well,make sure you don't sell or give your ticket to a person you don't know,and even if you do and something happens,you wont be banned,since you didn't do it.

    Your SG might get punished with,no flags-drums,banners etc,but not you,but all SGs and TFC agree to the conditions in the Agreement before season started,so no surprises there
    you don't understand what the protest is about if you believe that. It has nothing to do with ones own seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    you don't understand what the protest is about if you believe that. It has nothing to do with ones own seats.
    Then why don't you educate us,and help us all understand better ,what is the protest all about?

    I'm not breaking your balls,I just would like to know,what was all about and why I participated in that protest last game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    Then why don't you educate us,and help us all understand better ,what is the protest all about?

    I'm not breaking your balls,I just would like to know,what was all about and why I participated in that protest last game.
    It's about exactly what I said: it gives TFC the ability to punish EVERYBODY in the SG if something happens within its allocated section. MEANING: I could be on vacation, when somebody that's 5 rows back and 12 seats over sets off a flare. I'll come home to an email from TFC telling me I'm banned for the rest of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    speaking of lack of security..at half time of the orl game 2 dudes running across the field i think after Kaka and were stopped at the dressing room entrance by a cop,how did they get that far?
    Should probably look up the "BMO Security Tapes" and find out the section. Then revoke sitting rights from everyone in the section for not stopping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It's about exactly what I said: it gives TFC the ability to punish EVERYBODY in the SG if something happens within its allocated section. MEANING: I could be on vacation, when somebody that's 5 rows back and 12 seats over sets off a flare. I'll come home to an email from TFC telling me I'm banned for the rest of the year.
    "the group is responsible for individuals in their sections allocated seats"


    So I'm assuming this is the wording issue they wrote about,no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    "the group is responsible for individuals in their sections allocated seats"


    So I'm assuming this is the wording issue they wrote about,no?
    Responsible for anybody other than myself. Thats my issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Responsible for anybody other than myself. Thats my issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    There is always a dialogue. Its up to each group on how that occurs. Its always been a concern that someone could rep your group, but for us its easy to track who our members are because we choose to organize in that way. Any information that I have seen always puts the onus on the individual first, then they can ask for SG help second, and then it gets more choppy if there is suspicion involved. Not knowing any of the facts here, I can't comment on what the issue is, but its fairly clear with what I heard last game and some quick dialogue with TFC that there is a misunderstanding regarding wording and expectation. I
    I'm sure you want be hold responsible for other people, i think Phil explained with this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It's about exactly what I said: it gives TFC the ability to punish EVERYBODY in the SG if something happens within its allocated section. MEANING: I could be on vacation, when somebody that's 5 rows back and 12 seats over sets off a flare. I'll come home to an email from TFC telling me I'm banned for the rest of the year.
    Exactly. Funny enough the wife, and I, were on vacation when the two stick incident happened. Didn't happen in our supporter's group section, but, if it had and I came back to find out that we were going to suffer because of it...I'd pretty much lose my shit on the FO, MLSE, and, everyone else trying to enforce such an assinine policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    I'm sure you want be hold responsible for other people, i think Phil explained with this post.
    It's your choice of whether you want to pretend like FO is playing nice and reasonable. If (like you said) this code has always been around, and TFC don't need signatures, they would enforce it to the fullest.

    Also, Inebriatti offered help with the 2 stick thing. The leaders were purposely ignored (both emails and calls) until ONE day before the first silence game- Which was 2 weeks after the MTL game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    "the group is responsible for individuals in their sections allocated seats"


    So I'm assuming this is the wording issue they wrote about,no?
    There is a simple answer to this.

    Dont be in a group
    Dont give your tickets to someone not in a group
    Dont let people you bring act like idiots.

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    I think the full quote is this:

    " If no individual(s) or group(s) is identified as responsible, Toronto FC reserves the right to assign responsibility for the act to the Supporter Group if the act occurs in your Supporter Group’s assigned seating areas, or if information collected allows for reasonable assignment of responsibility. "
    Lots of context to apply there, even then I know for a fact there are more points to that piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    Should probably look up the "BMO Security Tapes" and find out the section. Then revoke sitting rights from everyone in the section for not stopping them.
    LOL. Well played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It's your choice of whether you want to pretend like FO is playing nice and reasonable. If (like you said) this code has always been around, and TFC don't need signatures, they would enforce it to the fullest.

    Also, Inebriatti offered help with the 2 stick thing. The leaders were purposely ignored (both emails and calls) until ONE day before the first silence game- Which was 2 weeks after the MTL game.
    SO you are saying that ineebs leaders did not have the disciplinary meeting with TFC FC,but instead TFC just hammered them without explanation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red4ever View Post
    There is a simple answer to this.

    Dont be in a group
    Dont give your tickets to someone not in a group
    Dont let people you bring act like idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denime View Post
    SO you are saying that ineebs leaders did not have the disciplinary meeting with TFC FC,but instead TFC just hammered them without explanation?
    There was a meeting - At which TFC FO hammered them, and shoved this code down their throat.
    There was no attempt to work together or cooperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    There was a meeting - At which TFC FO hammered them, and shoved this code down their throat.
    There was no attempt to work together or cooperate.
    How do you know this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    How do you know this?
    I know somebody that knows somebody that heard from somebody that was in that actual meeting.


 

 

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