Here's one for example, what if that dumbass who said that stupid line to the female reporter last year and caused the that whole stir borrowed his buddies RPB scarf and was wearing it during that interview? All you guys would say you didn't know him because you obviously wouldn't and you'd be right where the Inebriatti are now. Now I am not saying the Inebriatti didn't know the guy or anything because that's not my concern. My concern is how this new rule can be interpreted and enforced. Not saying it's 100% terrible but unless it's clarified a lot then it's too vague to be considered fair to everyone.
[QUOTE=TheGoodson;1813756]So let me understand these issues with that specific SG:
they didn't cause the damage in Montreal (it was someone else)
some random fan is going to make a two stick bring it into their section? (and no where else in the southend and it was someone else)
That's a little harsh. They may give him some information to get across their pov but he is an independent journalist.
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not sure,2 guys one of them was a ineebs member.
That rule is not new rule,as far I know it was presented in an agreement between FO and SGs, question is,did anyone read the rules?
I think last incident with ineebs,triggered signing code of conduct letter.
Lets not forget they got punished for Montreal disaster with 1 game No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo,
for ripping seats in their section I think 2 games No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo,
and 2 stick No smoke, flags/flagpoles, capo stand, drums, banners or tifo, no idea for how long and why that letter was brought up after 3rd strike.
Not being a member of a SG I don't know, maybe someone in the membership team can clarify this...
But I would think that most SG which are membership based know where their members sit and could easily communicate this to the front office.
At the end of the day, as I stated earlier we need to see the full unedited contract before jumping to conclusions.
There is always a dialogue. Its up to each group on how that occurs. Its always been a concern that someone could rep your group, but for us its easy to track who our members are because we choose to organize in that way. Any information that I have seen always puts the onus on the individual first, then they can ask for SG help second, and then it gets more choppy if there is suspicion involved. Not knowing any of the facts here, I can't comment on what the issue is, but its fairly clear with what I heard last game and some quick dialogue with TFC that there is a misunderstanding regarding wording and expectation. I
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Listen I was escorted out of the stadium for doing something a bit stupid a few years ago, after having a few too many, security looked at my ticket and escorted me out, my fault no bones about it. I seem to recall a few years back TFC supporters groups took pride in policing themselves and when incidents occurred, such as flares, dust ups, other things that we could take as dodgy security was actually directed to the offenders, by our supporters. Now I only saw the 2 stick banner after it was reported, I thought it was in poor taste, and you cannot control the actions of individuals and agree that having to sign a document is a bit too far, but I was at the away game in Montreal last year when the flares where set off, I personally don't like it. Inebriatti were deemed responsible for that incident( I don't know how it was proven, perhaps self admission of the event) move on to first home game, seats ripped out in Inebriatti section, move forward to 2 stick banner incident, happens to have been in Inebriatti section again, I ask is it honestly just coincidence?
Whether it is right or wrong If you keep hanging around the barn, you start smelling like shit. It is just the way things are perceived. I think Inebriatti is being perceived as an intimidating, reckless group by the actions of the few whom may or may be not affiliated with the group. I'm sorry but self policing by the supporters groups is part of it like it or not, if not the mob mentality takes over.
Back on to topic, TFC should have really taken advantage of a poor defense, Jonathan practice some fucking shooting FFS.
It's about exactly what I said: it gives TFC the ability to punish EVERYBODY in the SG if something happens within its allocated section. MEANING: I could be on vacation, when somebody that's 5 rows back and 12 seats over sets off a flare. I'll come home to an email from TFC telling me I'm banned for the rest of the year.
Exactly. Funny enough the wife, and I, were on vacation when the two stick incident happened. Didn't happen in our supporter's group section, but, if it had and I came back to find out that we were going to suffer because of it...I'd pretty much lose my shit on the FO, MLSE, and, everyone else trying to enforce such an assinine policy.
It's your choice of whether you want to pretend like FO is playing nice and reasonable. If (like you said) this code has always been around, and TFC don't need signatures, they would enforce it to the fullest.
Also, Inebriatti offered help with the 2 stick thing. The leaders were purposely ignored (both emails and calls) until ONE day before the first silence game- Which was 2 weeks after the MTL game.
I think the full quote is this:
Lots of context to apply there, even then I know for a fact there are more points to that piece." If no individual(s) or group(s) is identified as responsible, Toronto FC reserves the right to assign responsibility for the act to the Supporter Group if the act occurs in your Supporter Group’s assigned seating areas, or if information collected allows for reasonable assignment of responsibility. "
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