This years first rounder is going to the Rapids for Irwin IIRC
This years first rounder is going to the Rapids for Irwin IIRC
Those conditions are generally tied to appearances or playoff success so I highly doubt the conditions weren't met.
(or it's if he signs a deal with TFC similar to the Jackson deal)
^Yeah that is the right thing to assume
So thinking about that Jackson scenario, if that's what is going on, Irwin might get exposed here.
Last edited by ensco; 12-05-2016 at 09:52 PM.
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Only Minn would want Irwin - Atlanta is picking up Sean Johnson (who will probably get Jack McInerney from Colorado and thus upgrade). And I'm not sure Irwin wants to work for Adrian Heath.
I suppose there's a possibility Irwin gets exposed, but I find it hard to believe. I feel like we'd be making the same mistake as we made with Frei - cheap backup comes in and does okay and we start wondering if we really need the starter. I would rather stick with Irwin.
Irwin is on such a team friendly contract we have to protect him. Dude makes like 100 grand per season. Solid mls keeper, on a great contract for his position. If he went and bono faltered we would not find a keeper of Irwin's class at his price
I am not looking to move Irwin. At all. But what if he wants a lot more than $100K and can get it elsewhere?
That pick, if signing him costs us that, is an issue. He by definition would cost us more to sign him than he costs anyone else (if that is how the conditional deal works).
Not looking to be "right", just trying to think like Bez.
Championship teams lose guys because everyone needs to get paid.
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I thought Irwin is signed through 2017? no?
Pretty sure Matt Doyle said he was going into the last year of his deal when the trade went down.
EDIT:FAO: Ensco - Going back looking for the contract details, i found this from Neil Davidson.
A source said the 2017 pick is conditional on Irwin's appearances and Toronto's playoff progress.
Last edited by Areathrasher; 12-06-2016 at 11:03 AM.
I tried looking for contract terms for Irwin but came up empty
in terms of the draft pick though, of all the years to be giving up a first round selection this is it. After we win on Saturday the rapids will be getting the last pick in the first round and we still have the 5 th pick in the second round to grab a prospect
To protect or not protect Irwin is on TFC's view on Alex Bono. If they are confident that Bono can do the same job with less money then leaving Irwin open should be alright.
How many players do we have to leave exposed?
I'd put some Canadians on that list. You'd have to think that ATL/Min would't want to waste their international spot on Chapman/Morgan/Mannella.
Also Irwin. Seems like decent GK's are a dime a dozen.
I say protected:
Giovinco
Altidore
Bradley
Moore
Zavaletta
Morrow
Osorio
Cooper
Delgado
Beitashour
Irwin
Only Haglund left off the list as one of the regular starters.
Mannella now counts as a domestic league-wide because he started at the academy before he was 16. One of only nine Canadians who count as domestics in the US after the new Canadian Garber-age rule change. Still doubtful that Minnesota or Atlanta would pick him up, but in a later round for "domestic" depth... maybe. He's not protected in the way you suggest though.
They will not expose Hagglund. Young, cheap, effective domestics are incredibly valuable. I would bet my house that he won't be exposed.
This turns on whether we can sign Cooper.
If TFC can sign Cooper, it's 50/50 whether they protect Endoh or Beitashour (frankly, Beitashour may not be taken at his salary anyway, I could see the case that he should be exposed in any scenario).
There is a small chance that Irwin is exposed, if we don't think we can sign him at the right price.
Last edited by ensco; 12-12-2016 at 10:42 AM.
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Each team can only lose up to 1 player in the draft.
See link
Maximum Player Loss: Once one (1) player has been claimed from a Club’s non-protected roster, that Club is eliminated from the Expansion Draft and may not lose any further playersRounds
- There will be five (5) rounds.
Last edited by wopchop; 12-12-2016 at 11:43 AM.
Irwin, Beita and Ricketts left unprotected
http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/conten...tected-players
Here's the list:
Altidore, Jozy
Bradley, Michael
Cooper, Armando
Delgado, Marco
Endo, Tsubasa
Giovinco, Sebastian
Hagglund, Nick
Moor, Drew
Morrow, Justin
Osorio, Jonathan
Zavaleta, Eriq
Dont think anyone expected Endoh on that list...
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Before anyone starts wondering, we were required to protect 3 international players according to the rules. We had 5 international players on the roster (Giovinco, Cooper, Cheyrou, Simonin, Endoh) and therefore had to protect 3 of them. It was going to be between Cheyrou and Endoh, and management decided to protect Endoh. A lot of people missed this particular caveat, even Waking The Red's expansion prediction only had 2 international players protected for us, which wouldn't have been possible.
Our unprotected players: Irwin, Beitashour, Johnson, Bloom, Ricketts, Williams, Cheyrou, Lovitz, Babouli, Simonin, Roberts
Keep in mind we can only lose 1 player. If I had to guess right now, Williams, Lovitz, Cheyrou, Babouli, Simonin, Roberts are safe. Cheyrou is too old versus other options for either expansion team to consider him, plus there's a risk he just decides to retire if selected. The others aren't valuable enough. Johnson is a free agent and expensive, if he is selected he can just refuse to sign a contract with Atlanta/Minnesota then head to free agency, so I doubt he's selected. Therefore I think we are going to lose one of Irwin, Beitashour, Bloom or Ricketts.
Minnesota doesn't have a keeper, they might grab Irwin. If either Atlanta or Minnesota needs a RB, they could take Beitashour if they have the cap space, or Bloom for a cheaper option. Ricketts is a bit safer than the others because he would take up an international slot, but he's not totally out of the woods. I'm not sure who we'll lose, it's going to be depend on what the teams need and who else is available.
Last edited by notthesun; 12-12-2016 at 02:11 PM.
Full list of player status for the expansion draft: http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/conten...tected-players
I don't know why but Roberts and Babouli are both available despite being Homegrowns... don't get it but it won't matter, they won't be selected anyways.
I bet we lose Ricketts and he is flipped to Vancouver.
This is going to suck.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Our likely players to be selected, in my opinion: Irwin, Beitashour, Bloom, Ricketts, Williams.
This draft is an opportunity for Atlanta and Minnesota to build depth. You have to assume they are going to look for capable players that are cheap and domestic, as much as possible. Browsing the list of available players, here's the "competition" for each of our guys that I can see...
GK (Irwin):
Steve Clark
Chris Seitz
Bobby Shuttleworth
Jeff Attinella
These are all pretty comparable keepers. Clark is significantly more expensive than Irwin, Seitz and Shuttleworth are a bit more, Attinella a bit less. Atlanta is in for Brad Guzan and they already have a backup so I don't see them taking a keeper. So the question is whether Minnesota wants to pick a keeper, and if so, if they go for Irwin. It's certainly possible in my view.
RB (Beitashour/Bloom):
Chance Myers
Chris Duvall
Tyrone Mears
Kevin Alston
Sean Franklin
Beitashour is the best RB available. If either team can fit his salary in, I just can't see him being passed up. I think Bloom may be safe due to the availability of Duvall, who is cheaper and better.
CB (Williams):
Gideon Baah
Marvell Wynne
Gaston Sauro
Nuno Coelho
Kofi Opare
Zach Loyd
Eric Gehrig
Amobi Okugo
Bobby Burling
There are more available but I stopped here. Williams is cheap CB depth, and he's decent in that regard compared to similar players. There are better players available, but they're more expensive. I think it's possible Atlanta or Minnesota would be interested, but I very much doubt he gets picked before Beitashour, Bloom or Irwin, so I think he's safe.
ST (Ricketts):
Sebastian Le Toux
Masato Kudo
Alhaji Kamara
Robbie Keane
Dominic Oduro
Charlie Davies
Jack McInerney
Quincy Amarikwa
Cameron Porter
The big upside with Ricketts is he's cheap, but he also takes up an international slot. There's a chance he goes, but again I have to doubt it's before our other guys.
I also want to add it's possible Bez plans or has already planned to trade back for whoever we lose, even if we overpay a bit. He's shown to value stability and did this before with Lovitz when he was selected by NYCFC, and he wasn't even that important. I wouldn't be surprised for example if someone takes Beitashour and we send a bunch of TAM to get him back.