2009 MLS Superdraft

[professor]

PhD,

Thanks for the tix!!!!
Great seats but a lousy result.

If I wanted to attend the draft in January, how would I go about it?

I looked at your website - where did the Canadian boy go and why is your
roster so much smaller than other school's?

Could you please explain the Blackhawk thing.

Thanks again for the tickets.

great timing, thanks for the call

Air Canada lost my luggage,
I packed the book that had all your info hence why I have yet to e-mail you
please gmail me ASAP

your son is registered in our camp next week; I've booked you in to the Holiday Inn
you need to confirm ASAP (address, phone, e-mail, cc, etc)

The SuperDraft is certainly far from Super = very boring, but just show up
last year they lured people in with free t-shirts
It's always on the Friday

no problem with the tickets too bad you wasted 90 minutes of your life
at BMO - but you were warned

and being labeled a blackhawk isn't a good thing,
google = helicopter parents

I'll explain the rest in an e-mail

[professor]

*UPDATED

2009 SuperDraft
Friday January 16th, 2009
in St Louis, @ the America's Centre

Have I got this close to being accurate?

Round 1 = 3 picks – TFC, San Jose’s and Chicago’s
Round 2 = 1 pick - TFC
Round 3 = 2 picks - TFC and *FCD's (in exchange for Cunningham)
Round 4 = 0 picks, traded to LA Galaxy for Harmse

Supplemental Draft (Teleconference)
Round 5 = 2 picks – TFC and DC United’s (rec’d for rights to Mike Zaher)
Round 6 = TFC
Round 7 = TFC
Round 8 = TFC
• We concede a conditional pick to Chivas for Guevara in drafts 2009 and 2010
• our 2 expansion YIs which are now deemed to be international spots for this season expire at season’s end;
• At next season’s end the YI received in the Cancela trade expires;
• Our 2 additional American roster spots assigned for this season and next will be reviewed at the the end of next season too;
• We gained 1 international spot from New England in exchange for Pat Phelan

2010
• Conditional 2010 draft pick to FC Dallas in exchange for Ibrahim

[DigzTFC!]

Was one of our third round picks traded for Guevara?

[professor]

Was one of our third round picks traded for Guevara?

IIRC, it's a conditional pick
We'll have to wait for the season to end before we see the actual picks that remain with TFC

[Nuvinho]

I'd say its a 3rd round pick for Guevara, but if we made the playoffs and/or he played a certain number of games and/or scored a certain number of goals, it moves to a 2nd round....just my opinion.

[James Oliphant]

Here's what's in the GoTFC database (still offline at this moment)

Press Release

Toronto FC announced Wednesday the signing of midfielder Amado Guevara. In exchange for the right to sign the Honduran international, Toronto FC has traded future considerations in the 2009 and 2010 MLS SuperDraft to Chivas USA. As per team policy, financial details were not released.

[professor]

First formal poll of the season is the NSCAA

NSCAA/adidas® National Rankings

NCAA Rankings Pre-Season Men
Division I Pre-Season Poll - August 12, 2008
Rank School Votes, Prev.Rank
1 Wake Forest University 200 1
2 Connecticut, University of 186 5
3 Notre Dame 166 6
4 Boston College 155 12
5 Santa Clara University 151 7
6 Creighton University 133 9
7 Indiana University 129 14
8 Maryland, University of 128 15
9 Ohio State University 118 2
10 Virginia Tech 112 3
11 Brown University 109 16
12 Akron, University of 95 23
13 Massachusetts, University of 83 4
14 UCLA 75 RV
15 West Virginia University 73 13
16 Illinois-Chicago, University of 71 10
17 Southern Methodist University 70 18
18 South Florida, University of 65 17
19 Saint Louis University 53 22
20 Northwestern University 46 21
21 Bradley University 41 10
21 UC Santa Barbara 41 8
23 Tulsa, University of 36 20
24 North Carolina, University of 28 NR
25 Furman University 20.5 RV
2007 Final Record and Ranking Shown

Also receiving votes: California 20, Louisville 19, New Mexico 18.5,
Old Dominion 18, Loyola (Md.) 11, South Carolina 11, Duke 8, Virginia 7, Harvard 3

http://www.nscaa.com/seniorRes.php?it=756

Gus
your top 20 isn't so far off

NSCAA's:
Indiana & Ohio are too high, Maryland to low
Notre Dame is not a #3 this season, top 10 not top 5
Cal Santa Barbara I think should be higher, sleeper
Ohio State will not be top 25 this year
CalPoly are top 20 and I think New Mexico will find a way to the top 20
What I've heard abut Indiana is not good, not top 25, but then it's Indiana


This season's celebrity name: John Mellancamp, Midfield, Indiana, a Sr.
Last Season's celebrity name: Stephen King, Midfield, Maryland.

[professor]

CSN is national poll number 2

CSN Pre-Season Top Thirty Rankings

1. Wake Forest
2. Connecticut
3. Maryland
4. Indiana
5. Santa Clara
6. Boston College
7. Creighton
8. Saint Louis
9. UC Santa Barbara
10. Brown
11. South Florida
12. SMU
13. California
14. UCLA
15. Notre Dame
16. Northwestern
17. UIC
18. Akron
19. New Mexico
20. Furman
21. Louisville
22. Massachusetts
23. Ohio State
24. Cal Poly
25. Tulsa
26. Harvard
27. Old Dominion
28. Loyola (Md)
29. North Carolina
30. UC Davis


http://www.collegesoccernews.com/ind...es/Page424.htm

with the exception of Indiana,
i like the top 6

[DigzTFC!]

When do they release the Hermann trophy watch list?

[professor]

Mac Hermann Award, pre season watch list = I heard Thursday of this week

should be leaking out anytime - Ives, Goff, but my $$$ is on Buzz

[DigzTFC!]

Buzz has been amazing for NCAA info. I expect he will be the source for GA signings again as well. Who are the forwards you'd be expecting to have big years outside of Tracy and White? Also, what's the deal with Daniel Revivo....is he MLS quality?

[T_Mizz]

I'm sure that the other Striker who is comparable to white will be selected by Seattle as they won't need to use an SI slot and white will fall to us

[Wooster_TFC]

*UPDATED

2009 SuperDraft
Friday January 16th, 2009
in St Louis, @ the America's Centre

Have I got this close to being accurate?

Round 1 = 3 picks – TFC, San Jose’s and Chicago’s
Round 2 = 1 pick - TFC
Round 3 = 2 picks - TFC and *FCD's (in exchange for Cunningham)
Round 4 = 0 picks, traded to LA Galaxy for Harmse

Supplemental Draft (Teleconference)
Round 5 = 2 picks – TFC and DC United’s (rec’d for rights to Mike Zaher)
Round 6 = TFC
Round 7 = TFC
Round 8 = TFC
• We concede a conditional pick to Chivas for Guevara in drafts 2009 and 2010
• our 2 expansion YIs which are now deemed to be international spots for this season expire at season’s end;
• At next season’s end the YI received in the Cancela trade expires;
• Our 2 additional American roster spots assigned for this season and next will be reviewed at the the end of next season too;
• We gained 1 international spot from New England in exchange for Pat Phelan

2010
• Conditional 2010 draft pick to FC Dallas in exchange for Ibrahim

Looks about right.

-2 YIs for expansion
-1 YI Cancela trade
-2 US from league
+1 Trade for Phelan
+1 Trade for Huckerby

Then there's the question of the 3 extra US slots we got in expansion as to when they expire. Haven't been able to find anything concrete on it. At the moment, we have 4 open I spots, and only 1 open Senior roster spot.

Mo seems reluctant to give international dev spots, since it's a waste, so I'm assuming those will remain open to handle the -3 deficit we are facing at the end of the year.

The draft will be interesting if we are maxed on international/US spots. It will also be interesting if Mo makes a push for another international spot. I somewhat have a bad feeling about the draft, that we might be operating from a position of weakness due to the international positions we have opening.

Any idea what contracts come off the books at the end of the year?

[professor]

... what's the deal with Daniel Revivo....is he MLS quality?

No I don't think so

He's the same player last year as he was the year before, and the year before that. He hasn't really developed or improved, he's still an average NCAA forward. His numbers and accolades are misleading because it's Big South competition.

IIRC, he's no longer active with the u20s either

IF he has a really strong statistical season, he might end up as a supp draft candidate

His MLS upside is his mother is American, and he has a green card already (or so I'm told) plus I heard his father is middle Eastern so he has a passport opton there. The most telling feature though is if he were a hot prospect, he'd be overseas already.

[DigzTFC!]

It won't be waste if those international development spots are used on GA players. Who knows what will be available in the draft this year.

Professor: what abou Masumi Turnbull and Kyle Hall or other canadians? Ricketts and Jakovic excluded of course

[professor]

I'm sure that the other Striker who is comparable to white will be selected by Seattle as they won't need to use an SI slot and white will fall to us

White has a green card, his father lives just outside of Storrs, CN
He's a domestic player on both sides of the border, he's falling to no one

[professor]

It won't be waste if those international development spots are used on GA players. Who knows what will be available in the draft this year.

Draft picks that are not packaged and traded = GA & ACC players!!!

Professor: what abou Masumi Turnbull and Kyle Hall or other canadians? Ricketts and Jakovic excluded of course

Hall - not MLS quality
but keep an eye as UConn (White) @ SU on Sun Sept 28.
http://www.suathletics.com/schedules...&tab=schedules

Turnball = in the shadow of Riley O'Neill, does he play MLS?
I don't know much about him and I've never seen him play
but Kentucky has a tough schedule = Conference USA
A good solid season with solid stats and accolades gets him a ticket to
the combine - he's a Sr.

[DigzTFC!]

Really? Hall had an outstanding pre-olympic U23 tourney. Thats tought to swallow. I thought he could turn into something, but then again, Hemming looked like an all-star in that tournament.

I don't know NCAA as its sort of the last thing I've studied about MLS and its scouting system. Which conferences produce most MLS ready players. ACC obviously...but is that the only one?

[professor]

Any idea what contracts come off the books at the end of the year?

no

we'll have to wait till the expansion draft and then wait for Mo to cut/release whomever in the fall

no way does Mo go to St Louis with 9-11 draft picks

Marshall, Smith and Velez are vulnerable come season end

[professor]

Really? Hall had an outstanding pre-olympic U23 tourney. Thats tought to swallow. I thought he could turn into something, but then again, Hemming looked like an all-star in that tournament.

No disrespect to Hall - I'd love to see him develop into a bona fied MLS player - right now I don't see it. I hope he's a late bloomer.
My assessment is based on how he handles and performs at the NCAA level, and he's not a top tier Big East stud-like player
Only top 1 or 2% of NCAA players go direct to MLS and make an impact, others require further development, i.e, a Tyler Hemming

And then there is the alumnus factor, @SU, Richard Assante who was drafted by TFC in 2007 SuperDraft (Round 3 - pick 27)
I feel Richard is a better player than either of Hall or Peetoom

Hemming was a Supp pick in the same draft, Round 4 - Pick #40
I also happen to think Hemming is a better player than either of Hall or Peetoom. Hemming is a Hartwick College Alumnus - Mid American Conference (MAC)

I don't know NCAA as its sort of the last thing I've studied about MLS and its scouting system. Which conferences produce most MLS ready players. ACC obviously...but is that the only one?

PAC 10, Big East, Conference USA

[professor]

Mac Hermann Award, pre season watch list = I heard Thursday of this week

should be leaking out anytime - Ives, Goff, but my $$$ is on Buzz

It will be posted here - http://www.nscaa.com/awards.php

In an e-mail from a rep from the Missouri Athletic Club, the targeted release date was hoped to be today, or Monday at the latest
Currently, at the above noted link, nothing, so it looks like Monday or leaked & posted over the wekeend

[professor]

Majority of players selected in the draft will come from these programs

Pre Season Conference Polls
Poll consists of a vote conducted by each conference's coaches
Coaches are not allowed to vote for their own teams
Points 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, first place votes in parentheses

ACC Men's Soccer Preseason Poll
1. Wake Forest (7) 79
2. Maryland 62
3. Boston College (2)
4. North Carolina 51
5. Virginia Tech 45
6. Virginia 43
7. Duke 27
8. Clemson 24
9. NC State 14

PAC 10 Men's Soccer Preseason Poll
1. California (4) 24 points
2. UCLA (1) 20
3. Stanford (1) 17
4. Washington 13
5. San Diego State 11
6. Oregon State 5

Big East Men's Soccer Preseason Coaches' Poll Blue Division
Connecticut (4) 112
Notre Dame (2) 99
Providence 70
West Virginia
Seton Hall 61
Georgetown 59
Marquette 26
Pittsburgh 19

Big East Men's Soccer Preseason Coaches' Poll Red Division
USF (7) 99
Louisville (4) 97
St. John's (3) 92
DePaul (2) 63
Rutgers 56
Cincinnati 44
Villanova 34
Syracuse 27

Conference USA Poll not yet released
FIU
Kentucky
Marshall
Memphis
SMU
South Carolina
Tulsa
UAB
UCF


Maybe by mid September I'll have a couple of lists:
One will consist of Canadians to watch out for,
the other being "combine worthy"

[gus]

Majority of players selected in the draft will come from these programs

Maybe by mid September I'll have a couple of lists:
One will consist of Canadians to watch out for,
the other being "combine worthy"

I'm looking forward to your lists.

Thanks for the insight. My son and I really do appreciate everything that you've done for us and for the information you have provided.

I also understand your "positioning" philosophy now.
The A-D is a first rate butt-head!

ps... I'll work on the hovering thing

[professor]

Soccer Times 2008 Preseason Poll
http://www.soccertimes.com/ncaa/top25/men.htm

Rank School 2007 Rank
1 Wake Forest 1
2 Connecticut 4
3 Santa Clara 6
4 Maryland 14
5 Indiana 12
6 Notre Dame 5
7 Boston College 7
8 Creighton 8
9 Southern Methodist 17t
10 California-Santa Barbara 10
11 Saint Louis 19
12 Ohio State 2
13 UCLA nr
14 California 22
15 South Florida 20
16 Brown 15
17 Akron 24
18 Illinois-Chicago 13
19 Virginia Tech 3
20 Massachusetts 21
21 Northwestern 21
22 Tulsa 16
23 Louisville nr
24 New Mexico nr
25 Virginia nr

Key: nr - no ranking

Others receiving votes: Bradley 41, West Virginia 41, Harvard 40, North Carolina 40, Washington 35, California Poly 34, Furman 28, South Carolina 24, Stanford 18, Portland 12, California-Davis 11, San Diego 10, St. John's 8, Old Dominion 6, Dartmouth 5, Denver 5, DePaul 5, Duke 4, Memphis 1.

Voting panel: Louis Bennett, Marquette; Mark Berson, South Carolina; Sasho Cirovski, Maryland; Ian Collins, Kentucky; Jim deRose, Bradley; Dan Donigan, Saint Louis; Jeremy Fishbein, New Mexico; John Kerr, Duke; Mike Freitag, Indiana; Mike Getman, Alabama at Birmingham; Kevin Grimes, California; Mike Jacobs, Evansville; Paul Krumpe, Loyola Marymount; Ken Lolla, Louisville; Ray Reid, Connecticut; Bob Warming, Creighton.

Voting method: On each ballot, 25 points awarded for first place, 24 for second place, 23 for third, etc., to 1 point for 25th place.

[professor]

Continuing with a running update

2009 SuperDraft
Friday January 16th,
in St Louis, @ the America's Centre

Have I got this close to being accurate?

Round 1 = 3 picks – TFC, San Jose’s and Chicago’s
Round 2 = TFC
Round 3 = TFC
Round 4 = 0 picks, traded to LA Galaxy for Harmse

Supplemental Draft (Teleconference)
Round 5 = 1 pick – TFC and DC United’s (rec’d for rights to Mike Zaher) 1 of two, to the LA Galaxy
Round 6 = 0 picks, traded to LA Galaxy for Ruiz (also 1 of 2 Round 5 picks**)
Round 7 = TFC
Round 8 = TFC
** Round 5 also known as Round 1 of the Supplemental Draft, a continuation of the SuperDraft
• LA Galaxy trade forward Carlos Ruiz to Toronto FC in exchange for a first and second round pick in the 2009 MLS Supplemental Draft
We concede a conditional pick to Chivas for Guevara in drafts 2009 and 2010
• our 2 expansion YIs which are now deemed to be international spots for this season expire at season’s end;
• At next season’s end the YI received in the Cancela trade expires;
• Our 2 additional American roster spots assigned for this season and next will be reviewed at the the end of next season too;
• We gained 1 international spot from New England in exchange for Pat Phelan

2010
• Conditional 2010 draft pick to FC Dallas in exchange for Ibrahim

[professor]

Someone has done a ton of work on this list, but I don't know who to credit or where to source a link, etc.,
I'm thinking Buzz or one of his guys

This list was sent to me in an email with no source and link
(originated out of the US)

The person who sent it to me, also received it without a source or link
I've been sitting on this list for almost two weeks in hopes of a source surfacing

I'm not taking credit for this list - I'm just posting it, as is

Estimated 2009 Superdraft Order

Round One
1 Seattle Sounders FC
2 Toronto FC
3 DC United
4 New York Red Bulls
5 FC Dallas
6 Los Angeles Galaxy
7 Kansas City Wizards
8 Toronto FC
9 FC Dallas
10 DC United
11 Toronto FC
12 CD Chivas USA
13 Columbus Crew
14 Real Salt Lake
15 New England Revolution

Round Two
16 Seattle Sounders FC
17 San Jose Earthquakes
18 Kansas City Wizards
19 New York Red Bulls
20 Colorado Rapids
21 FC Dallas
22 Kansas City Wizards
23 Toronto FC
24 DC United
25 DC United
26 Chicago Fire
27 New England Revolution
28 Columbus Crew
29 FC Dallas
30 New England Revolution

Round Three
31 Seattle Sounders FC
32 San Jose Earthquakes
33 Colorado Rapids
34 New York Red Bulls
35 Colorado Rapids
36 Los Angeles Galaxy
37 Kansas City Wizards
38 Toronto FC
39 Houston Dynamo
40 DC United
41 Chicago Fire
42 Toronto FC
43 Columbus Crew
44 Kansas City Wizards
45 New England Revolution

Round Four
46 Seattle Sounders FC
47 San Jose Earthquakes
48 Chicago Fire
49 New York Red Bulls
50 Kansas City Wizards
51 Los Angeles Galaxy
52 Kansas City Wizards
53 Los Angeles Galaxy
54 Houston Dynamo
55 DC United
56 Chicago Fire
57 CD Chivas USA
58 Columbus Crew
59 Real Salt Lake
60 New England Revolution


Trade/Pick Movement List

Round 1
DAL has HOU's pick (via SJ, Alvarez trade)
DC has COL's pick (Gomez trade)
SJ has HOU's pick (Kamara trade, later traded to DAL)
TOR has SJ's pick (O'Brien trade)
TOR has CHI's pick (McBride trade)

Round 2
COL has DAL's pick (Guarda trade)
DAL has RSL's pick (Cassar compensation)
DAL has LA's pick (Ruiz trade)
DC has HOU's pick (Boswell trade, pick is conditional)
KC has COL's pick (Burciaga trade)
LA has CHV's pick (Thomas trade, later traded to NE)
NE has CHV's pick (via LA, Franchino trade)

Round 3
COL has DAL's pick (Guarda trade)
DAL has CHV's pick (Nunez trade)
KC has RSL's pick (Movsisyan trade)
TOR has FCD's pick (Cunningham trade)

Round 4
CHI has COL's pick (Sanneh trade)
COL has SJ's pick (Gray/Kirovski trade)
LA has TOR's pick (Harmse trade)
KC has DAL's pick (international slot trade)

Conditional Picks
CHV has TOR's pick (Guevara trade)
COL has NY's pick (Mathis trade)

Total picks
CHI 4 picks
CHV 2 picks
CLB 4 picks
COL 4 picks
DAL 4 picks
DC 6 picks
HOU 2 picks
KC 7 picks
LA 4 picks
NE 5 picks
NY 4 picks
RSL 2 picks
SEA 4 picks
SJ 2 picks
TOR 6 picks

I added/amended the Cunningham trade

[professor]

Every week or so I'm going to try and update this list - my 1%

Goalkeepers
Zack Simmons (Massachusetts) Senior, Combine candidate
If there's a better keeper in the NCAA, its news to a whole lot of very knowledgable soccer people.


Defenders
Omar Gonzalez (Maryland) Junior
Gen A written all over him
The Beast (6-5, 215 pounds) Is he the best back in the NCAA?


Midfielders
Sam Cronin (Wake Forest) Senior, Combine candidate
For TFC purposes - a Barrett-like work ethic but far more effective and efficient. He has the timing, the touch, wins tackles, a competitive and ruthless mindset


Forwards
Marcus Tracy (Wake Forest) Senior, Combine candidate
Speed with skill. Scored important goals all last season, never mind just the 3 in the NCAA tournament. He's game for anything and always pressuring the opposing back line, none of this drifting in and out of games - he's a gamer. He is currently the only NCAA forward I don't moan about having to pay to watch him play. - what about it RH??? A'm I right?

O'Brian White (Connecticut) Senior, Combine candidate
Last years Hermann Trophy winner, 23 goals scored, Can he repeat?
A poacher.
2008, 2 games in = 2 goals scored

[Sullivan]

Good info kid.

Yes, MT is the real deal, so is OW.
And yes you bitch too much, especially when you can expense your costs.

The kid at Harvard, he's another gem, a poacher. He has even less to work with than MT.

Here's a thought, the Zips really seem to be the flavor of the month, are they the wildcard team or a team to beat?