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    What's with Osorio's ankle socks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Couldn't see the tire tracks from the TV replay. Was it on the pitch itself or behind the end line?
    Pitch itself, crossing the end line (running north-south). Very close to the corner flag. Maybe 5 metres long, which suggests (as I posted in the Argos thread) a bottleneck with carts being forced into single file or a specific route.

    2nd edit: grounds crew twitter account says LAG players did this to the pitch with their pregame sprinting.

    Edited to add the pic:

    Last edited by paul-collins; 06-19-2016 at 01:49 PM. Reason: Pic

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    I didn't realise until this game how big LA is.

    They are stacked with huge players... probably the biggest team in the league.

    I don't understand how LA get away with the depth that they have.

    Their players must be being paid under the table.

    They can't possibly be cap compliant other wise.

    EDIT: Just looked it up. Van Damme makes $500,000 a year. With all the super stars that they have how can they sneak in a player like this? They pay 11 players ~ $200,000 or more but the math doesn't seem to add up.

    Ashley Cole
    Robbie Keane
    Steven Gerrard
    Alan Gordon
    Giovani dos Santos
    Gyasi Zardes
    Robbie Rogers
    Sebastian Lletget
    Mike Magee
    Jeff Larentowicz
    Nigel de Jong
    Jelle Van Damme

    How do they fit this into the MLS salary cap? Something is awry.



    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    I always enjoy watching big bangers go up against our defence. I thought Moor did quite well, actually winning headers against Gordon. But, gosh, LAG are full of big stocky types.

    Anyways, how can you not like these two dads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    I didn't realise until this game how big LA is.

    They are stacked with huge players... probably the biggest team in the league.

    I don't understand how LA get away with the depth that they have.

    Their players must be being paid under the table.

    They can't possibly be cap compliant other wise.
    You cant genuinely be surprised? Its LA, the league bends over backwards for them at any opportunity for them to keep or get star players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    You cant genuinely be surprised? Its LA, the league bends over backwards for them at any opportunity for them to keep or get star players.
    Sure for now but with a team in real NY and LAFC entering the league soon it could force the league to think on how to dispense the favouritism.
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    Oh great. More lazy LA favoritism analysis. It couldn't be that they are just smarter than everyone else and use their location and wealth to their advantage. Nope, not that. Favoritism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areathrasher View Post
    Oh great. More lazy LA favoritism analysis. It couldn't be that they are just smarter than everyone else and use their location and wealth to their advantage. Nope, not that. Favoritism.

    You have a point.

    These players must really love being in LA to take the salaries that they are being given.

    But man, I find it hard to believe.

    The obvious answer is that they are being paid under the table with a wink wink ;

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    LA was able to sell players and take allocation $$ for it which they could be using to buy guys down. De Jongs contract is interesting in the way it is structured. Zardes may also still be a HGP contract so very little cap hit

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    Haven't done the research yet... but LA have at least 6 players that formerly played in the EPL.

    What!?!

    They basically have 6 DP's compared to the rest of the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    You have a point.

    These players must really love being in LA to take the salaries that they are being given.

    But man, I find it hard to believe.

    The obvious answer is that they are being paid under the table with a wink wink ;
    A lot of their depth is on similar money to ours. Our high paid back line matches up quite closely to theirs too.

    Cole and DeJong also had payoffs from their former clubs which allowed them to take reduced pay in LA. They sold Juninhio and Gonzalez in the offseason which helped add some allocation $$$ and cap/budget flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul-collins View Post
    What's with Osorio's ankle socks?

    He scored his first two goals this season with them on in the Voyageurs Cup so is rocking them until further notice.

    Retro trumps all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areathrasher View Post
    A lot of their depth is on similar money to ours. Our high paid back line matches up quite closely to theirs too.

    Cole and DeJong also had payoffs from their former clubs which allowed them to take reduced pay in LA. They sold Juninhio and Gonzalez in the offseason which helped add some allocation $$$ and cap/budget flexibility.

    OK. I see what you're getting at. But fuck. Let's have the league be transparent! The allusion of favoritism reaks!

    LA are either very well operated, or the league gives them pro bono wink winks ;

    I think we have the right to know either way for sure.

    For the love of this game, let's get MLS right! They can't hide the financials for ever and expect fans to take it. It's either a league of parity, or it's not. We need the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    OK. I see what you're getting at. But fuck. Let's have the league be transparent! The allusion of favoritism reaks!

    LA are either very well operated, or the league gives them pro bono wink winks ;

    I think we have the right to know either way for sure.

    For the love of this game, let's get MLS right! They can't hide the financials for ever and expect fans to take it. It's either a league of parity, or it's not. We need the truth.
    Good luck with that, at times this league is run like the WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    I didn't realise until this game how big LA is.

    They are stacked with huge players... probably the biggest team in the league.

    I don't understand how LA get away with the depth that they have.

    Their players must be being paid under the table.

    They can't possibly be cap compliant other wise.

    EDIT: Just looked it up. Van Damme makes $500,000 a year. With all the super stars that they have how can they sneak in a player like this? They pay 11 players ~ $200,000 or more but the math doesn't seem to add up.

    Ashley Cole
    Robbie Keane
    Steven Gerrard
    Alan Gordon
    Giovani dos Santos
    Gyasi Zardes
    Robbie Rogers
    Sebastian Lletget
    Mike Magee
    Jeff Larentowicz
    Nigel de Jong
    Jelle Van Damme

    How do they fit this into the MLS salary cap? Something is awry.

    Selling Juninho and Gonzalez in the offseason gave them a shit ton of allocation money and cap space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Good luck with that, at times this league is run like the WWE.
    Money in the bank ladder match for allocation bucks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    Selling Juninho and Gonzalez in the offseason gave them a shit ton of allocation money and cap space.
    It was reported at the time that they didn't get any allocation for the Gonzalez sale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Discostu81 View Post
    Money in the bank ladder match for allocation bucks?
    I like the sound of that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    It was reported at the time that they didn't get any allocation for the Gonzalez sale.

    Oh ya forgot that you only get allocation if you sell a DP for more than the total cost of that player to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    It was reported at the time that they didn't get any allocation for the Gonzalez sale.

    ah, right. I'd forgotten bout that aspect of the deal. Still a lot of cap space to play with though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    Haven't done the research yet... but LA have at least 6 players that formerly played in the EPL.

    What!?!

    They basically have 6 DP's compared to the rest of the league.
    Forgive my ignorance, but can you name the 6 at least EPL players that play for la.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burlington Red View Post
    Forgive my ignorance, but can you name the 6 at least EPL players that play for la.
    Ashley Cole (Chelsea)
    Robbie Keane (Spurs)
    Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
    Giovani dos Santos (Spurs)
    Sebastian Lletget (West Ham)
    Nigel de Jong (City)
    Jelle Van Damme (Southhampton/Wanderers)

    at some point in the career played for an EPL team (might not have been in the EPL when they played though) - could add Rogers to the list, but he played with Leeds, while they were a Championship team...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso View Post
    I didn't realise until this game how big LA is.

    They are stacked with huge players... probably the biggest team in the league.

    I don't understand how LA get away with the depth that they have.

    Their players must be being paid under the table.

    They can't possibly be cap compliant other wise.

    EDIT: Just looked it up. Van Damme makes $500,000 a year. With all the super stars that they have how can they sneak in a player like this? They pay 11 players ~ $200,000 or more but the math doesn't seem to add up.

    Ashley Cole
    Robbie Keane
    Steven Gerrard
    Alan Gordon
    Giovani dos Santos
    Gyasi Zardes
    Robbie Rogers
    Sebastian Lletget
    Mike Magee
    Jeff Larentowicz
    Nigel de Jong
    Jelle Van Damme

    How do they fit this into the MLS salary cap? Something is awry.
    Looked last night, it's 5.36 million roughly, that's using 436,250 cap it on their DPs and not including guaranteed contracts, just base salary. Cap is 3.49 million.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastend View Post
    The ref was Salazar.
    Oops...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carter View Post
    Looked last night, it's 5.36 million roughly, that's using 436,250 cap it on their DPs and not including guaranteed contracts, just base salary. Cap is 3.49 million.....
    The League hands out some general allocation money but no way it's $2 million.
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    I think I read somewhere that a large chunk of Cole and Van Damme's salary is coming from their previous clubs.

    In the end, the way Arena has constructed his team feels like he'll retire next year because it's complete unsustainable. All those veterans and older DPs won't be there next season and Cole and Van Damme's salary will be on the books.

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    Of this list of players

    Ashley Cole
    Robbie Keane
    Steven Gerrard
    Alan Gordon
    Giovani dos Santos
    Gyasi Zardes
    Robbie Rogers
    Sebastian Lletget
    Mike Magee
    Jeff Larentowicz
    Nigel de Jong
    Jelle Van Damme
    I'd say only Dos Santos, Zardes, Lletget and Rogers are back next season. Maybe..maybe...Cole. Gerrard for sure is gone and Keane is rumoured to be going. Magee aned Larentowicz are hoping for one final run to the Cup and likely are retiring. The rest are too expensive next year for the cap hit.

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    I believe they've also backloaded some of the contracts so they'll be getting more money next year. It could all come back to plow up in their face, but i get the feeling that additional TAM is gong to be added at the end of this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Of this list of players



    I'd say only Dos Santos, Zardes, Lletget and Rogers are back next season. Maybe..maybe...Cole. Gerrard for sure is gone and Keane is rumoured to be going. Magee aned Larentowicz are hoping for one final run to the Cup and likely are retiring. The rest are too expensive next year for the cap hit.
    Seems about right. They are heading to a rebuilding year next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Initial B View Post
    I believe they've also backloaded some of the contracts so they'll be getting more money next year. It could all come back to plow up in their face, but i get the feeling that additional TAM is gong to be added at the end of this year.
    Arena is a genius when it comes to manipulation league rules, especially roster rules for his benefit. But the house of cards is bound to come down eventually and I think Arena might be fed up with being forced to add DPs to the roster when he doesn't really want them (IE Gerrard) because his boss said to increase marketing value of his squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    Arena is a genius when it comes to manipulation league rules, especially roster rules for his benefit. But the house of cards is bound to come down eventually and I think Arena might be fed up with being forced to add DPs to the roster when he doesn't really want them (IE Gerrard) because his boss said to increase marketing value of his squad.
    That, but I also feel like he's done with MLS rules period. He wants CCL title to cap it all off, which is why he went all in this year.

 

 

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