Vanney doesn't give Gio his free kick skills.Originally Posted by molenshtain
Vanney doesn't give Gio his free kick skills.
He also isn't the one who injured 4 keys players for the busiest time of the season.
This actually something that really pisses me off about Vanney. When we lose he's always blaming the players. It's always "Them" when we lose. If we win he always says "We" or "Us".
I never noticed this. If anything I think he is too easy on the players. Many times he should have called them out but didn't and always gives dull 'we'll regroup and get back to work' post loss speeches. That was always one of my complaints about him. He's too even keel and frankly boring. I questioned his ability to lead because he has the demeanor of a third grade teacher but he is doing wonders for our young guys and things aren't consistent but they're coming together slowly. Still not sold he's the guy to get us to the next level but at this point, he's fine.
He uses we or us meticulously for every situation. When asked about an individual struggling, he never ever throws a player under the bus.
I think he has other issues (too differential to what players want) but its not in his post match communications.
Last edited by OgtheDim; 07-26-2016 at 03:57 PM.
Look out - time to add gas to the fire:
SIGI SCHMID LEAVES SOUNDERS
http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/0...ally-part-ways
Dear god no...no Sigi. He's lost in the current MLS 3.0
We have 1 loss in the past 5 games. Steady as she goes as key players slowly return from injury.
Agreed. Not the direction we should be taking things.
He'll find another job for sure but I think we need to be more forward thinking.
I would have taken Sigi a few years ago in a heartbeat. Not now.
Either LAFC or Atlanta but I'm wondering if maybe Vancouver might have an opening at the end of the season.
WOW
Vanny never blames the players.
that's incorrect....he used "we" in discussing the Bono gaffe v SJ.....just as one example.....
I may be blind or biased or something but next time I notice it again I'll let you guys know. I swear it notice it on somewhat regular basis
He doesnt call out specific players but he does occasionally complain that the players in general were not aggressive enough or giving up too many loose balls, etc.
I know right? However, I've never heard him say "oh this so and so couch just out played me" even if the tactical changes he made during the game had everyone shake their heads.
When Vanney is really pissed at the play - it may slip out and say "the guys" or "the team" but that's only been a couple times - and I even heard him say it after a win.
But he's usually right in saying it - there's a point when it is clearly on the players for the poor play on the pitch - he usually slips when it's beer league bad. rightfully so.
I was wondering if a return to the Crew is in the books.
fair enough...
I find Vanney tries to be very diplomatic.
I mean, use the way Vanney talks in comparison to a guy like Carver, who for some reason gets deity status with some here.
Who can ever forget Carver talking about Cunningham "I don't know how he got to be top goalscorer in this league".
Now whether or not the comment was warranted at the time (you'll get a hard time to say that it wasn't warranted, even from me), THAT is throwing someone under the bus, and it won't go over well for a long period of time, as we seen with him here.
If saying "them" instead of "we" is throwing under the bus, I've gotta say either we've become a wee bit touchy in here, or looking for faults where there's none......
If you're a specialist in your workforce, the last thing people want to hear is that you don't have some sort of solution to a problem.
I wouldn't expect to hear that either. If any coach was outplayed by a couch, he'd be fired on the spot. :P
Well if it comes to outplayed, I'd put Vanney in the top 1/3 of MLS coaches who used to be players. He was a legit USMNT.
Name an MLS coach that says they were "outplayed." That just doesn't happen. This is just creating an impossible standard for Vanney so that you can declare him "no good."
It would be stupid to do that tactically, even if it were a true statement because you would lose the locker room. If I ever hear a coach say he was "outplayed," I would expect a resignation letter from him the next day.
Yeah, Vanney interviews good too, that day he replaced Neilsen he talked like a veteran and strong pro. His girly man side only showed up in later interviews. He doesnt seem the type to admit weak qualities, lots of corporate manouvering skills with this one.
He is slick, albeit un-engaged, wooden and prone to weird substitutions. Not nearly as unlikable a "short-pants" Mariner, who in his defense had a worse lineup.
Mariner had been the GM, so any problems with the lineup was his own fault. I give Short Pants no room for excuses, he had none.
yup....and while it might be a bit of a stretch to some, for me, Professor No-pants was at least as damaging to the development of TFC as Mo.
At least while Mo was in charge, we were brand new so expectations were kinda low.
So after three wins, things are looking up from that embarrassing loss. The team is better organized, and I am really pleased at the progress of our young players, for which I give Vanney primary credit.
I dunno what happened with that loss, it looked like a coaching and locker room breakdown (like we've had so many times before), but it's been turned around.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
He's getting the best out of all these young players which bodes well for the future and TFC's plan to bring along players from the academy.
Vanney is in his second FULL season.
He's the only reason guys like Zavaleta, Williams, Delgado (all tossed aside by other clubs) and Endoh are in Toronto.
From my view, the locker room is more settled than ever. He has also managed to keep Sebastian happy. He's an excellent man manager in that way.
If you look at the acquisitions under Vanney/Bez, most have been good.
Irwin
Moor
Beitashour
Zavaleta
Delgado
Endoh
Chapman
Johnson
Altidore
Giovinco
Bradley ...
The only big errors have been Gomez, Perquis and Kantari.
Vanney has TFC in second place in the East with a game in hand and a whole bunch of home games left.
If anyone wants to say, 'Hey, let's wait and see with Vanney.' OK.
But those calling him a bad coach are very misguided. It's strange.
Last edited by KurtLarSUN; 08-04-2016 at 12:41 PM.
For those still complaining about Vanney, most of them would have laughed six months ago if someone told them Bono, Williams, Endoh, Delgado, Chapman and Hamilton were going to start and lead TFC to three consecutive home wins mid-season.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote