Cause only people on the internet expected him to be fired.Originally Posted by Alixir
Cause only people on the internet expected him to be fired.
i doubt it will happen.too much kumbaya in the front office and we have Ricketts coming.
Last edited by reggie; 07-18-2016 at 10:53 AM.
And 3 starters in a month.
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true...but they were still around a 500 record with those guys in the line up.
The end of August seems to be the typical time when the coach turns into an ex-employee, so there is a while yet.
Renewals are important this year. Expensive roster and still gotta pay for that roof. They will use the new coach buzz in the winter to help drive up deposits. Useless if we do it now and continue to be stuck in the mud.
imo the time to fire is now or at the end of the season. Management needs to decide whether or not Vanney is the man now so that whoever replaces him if it comes to that has the transfer window to make some moves and time to work with the squad. Replacing Vanney at the end of the transfer window would be stupid.
The question is who steps in the iterim, as well, as Fraser is Vanney's guy and vice-versa. Vanney was his assistant at Chivas and RSL. They're not going to leave on behind and fire the other. So maybe Bent, unless they have someone to offer to right away. In that respects, the prospects are limited by the usual concerns of MLS/US Soccer familiarity. No, I suspect they'll wait until the season's over. If we have no playoffs or no playoff success they'll probably get rid of both.
That has been the understood parameters since the end of last season and would only change if the season was heading completely south.
As others have said, the next few home games are way more important to Vanney's continued tenure here then that game in SJ.
Yeah, they're not going to judge it on a game when half our starting lineup was out injured.
I know this is the plan but if this is the line of thinking and if the team is teetering that way, I'd rather they be decisive and get the best choice available while he's available and not have to scramble for a new mystery guy in the off season. Even worse would be doing what they did when they got Vanney. If they wait until September and do it, I'll lose my shit.
I think the fact that Jason Kreis is still available needs to factor in here as well though. Orlando is in pursuit and you have to think that this makes management really think about Vanney - what if we get to the end of the season, Fire Vanney and have no suitable MLS replacement a la Kreis?
I think Dichio could fill the role as interim, he has been with the club since day 1 and we know he doesn't want to coach at the senior level, he would be the best caretaker.
Although making Fraser the interim is a sad thought, even worse than naming Vanney after Nelsen, there is absolutely nothing to show that Dichio is up to that level.
Well if you are sacking Vanney/Bez and you don't have the guy you want come in now you are essentially forfeiting the season, any coach is going to give you the new coach morale boost, you could put anyone in there and your going to get the same result.
Might as well put someone like the club talisman in there who you know isn't looking to ruffle feathers.
Yeah I agree with you, its pointless to fire them if you don't have the permanent replacement ready.
So many people, including the media, believe that Jozy needs to be there for Seba to play his best game, and ultimately for TFC's success - I'm waiting for his return more than anybody else. I have a suspicion that it'll make no difference to results.
Jozy drags 2-3 defenders with him - that's 2-3 less guys Gio has to deal with.
Giovinco is actually pretty close to what he produced goals and assist wise first half this season to first half last season, and that's with more conservative style of this season.
Altidore may not have been scoring, but he does open up more spaces for Giovinco to do his thing. Now only if Giovinco can score... It's so frustrating to see Giovinco being the reincarnation of Pablo Vitti with all those near misses.
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Absolutely. Hamilton doesn't drag defenders with him - no one views him as dangerous. Jozy, he's dangerous. He can (doesn't often, but he can) score.
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^ that's the x-factor right there. If Altidore can get in form this thing starts to look salvageable.
Not to dismiss Hamitlon, I think he's earned the backup spot.
Fan 590 TFC blog discussion with Vanney. Go to around the 18th minute mark.
Would not recommend people listen that are strongly against Vanney - you will throw things.
http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/efw/t...tin-Morrow.mp3
Discusses the subs - he had his reasons but...sounds less then convinced himself afterwards.
I used to read every snippet of TFC news, and listen to almost every TFC interview. A number of years ago, I stopped listening. I can't remember during which phase of disappointment that was. I just can't do it anymore, all the interviews give me stomach aches (at least).
Fire Vanney now and that means that the club has given up on the season and they just want to ride it out as best as they can.
Disagree, I think if u fire Vanney now ur trying to salvage the season. Fire Vanney in September and then we've given up.
Don't forget the replacement comes with the built-in excuse for failure!!!
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This is what people said about firing Aron Winter so many moons ago - do you actually believe Winter would've been worse than Rick Flair a.k.a. Paul Marinier.
Do people actually believe someone in the TFC system can step in and do a better job than Vanney? Where is the proof that we have a guy who can step in and "turn" this club around with about half a season left.
It would be different if you said there was a manager that has a proven track record of success in MLS and has turn teams around in the past who is ready to step in now and take over. Then I say do it, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
Take any team in the MLS and remove 4 of their key starters from right down the middle of the pitch - and see how they fair.
Same end result of failure but at least trying to play better football and using the best players available with Winter.
No. Definitely not. No one in the system to step in.Do people actually believe someone in the TFC system can step in and do a better job than Vanney? Where is the proof that we have a guy who can step in and "turn" this club around with about half a season left.
Only one is Kreis. He is the only one that could be appointed to possibly salvage the season. He has the experience, came from the same RSL system as Vanney and works in a similar manner. He could step in and have a higher chance than anyone else of improving our team in the second half. Any other good experienced MLS managers (Arena, Sigi, Petke) will bring a bit of upheaval/chaos and take time to get used to our set up, our roster, and change/alter our system and that might ruin us heading into the fall.It would be different if you said there was a manager that has a proven track record of success in MLS and has turn teams around in the past who is ready to step in now and take over. Then I say do it, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
Also true and the one thing about Vanney I can credit him for is that we can switch out players and play the same style and not implode and concede our tradition assload of goals. Of course it's at the expense of offense but that is an easier fix than the opposite. I will even point to the competitiveness of the B team we've been putting out there. Yes, results are sketchy and are all grind out results but when in our history could you have any major injuries and still get results? Gernerally losing one key player meant we were going back to getting bombed for a while. I credit Vanney for that. He's helped the squad, younger guys mainly, grow but is that enough? For me, Vanney overall has done well this year but I still don't think he's the guy to get the team to the next level. When/if a real playoff run happens, I think he is not up to the task of matching up with an experienced, crafty manager.Take any team in the MLS and remove 4 of their key starters from right down the middle of the pitch - and see how they fair.
Vanney should have been giving some better minutes to a back up keepr.
Vanney is using the youngsters out of necessity not choice.
Hamilton should have been involved much earlier in the season if he was truly the backup choice.
Giovinco could be better utilized
Vanney's subs are questionable at best.
Hes doing some things right, but hes doing quite a bit wrong. There is no cap on manager, get the best damn one out there
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