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    Default 2016 TFC/MLS TV Ratings

    Ratings for the opening week are out now: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/great-canadian-ratings-report--brier-the-latest-big-ticket-sports-property-coming-up-short-153817345.html

    TFC-RBNY got 96,000 viewers on TSN. MTL-VAN had 205,000 on TSN (and you can add a bit onto that for RDS numbers which aren't out yet).

    Fairly low, and in line with the U.S. numbers for opening week as well. Dropped across the board compared to last year's opening weekend, except for Univision (Gio Dos Santos effect): http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/03/0...ening-weekend/

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    Numbers like this lead me to wonder if the CPL has a hope, given they seem to be relying heavily upon TSN to make the product viable/profitable.

    Like, how many people are going to tune in to watch Hamilton play Ottawa at that level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Numbers like this lead me to wonder if the CPL has a hope, given they seem to be relying heavily upon TSN to make the product viable/profitable.

    Like, how many people are going to tune in to watch Hamilton play Ottawa at that level?
    no chance CPL will be on TV. ... well maybe local rogers cable outlet.
    TSN losses $$$ on MLS right now as is, and they can barely fit the weekend games on, unless they are on wednesdays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    Ratings for the opening week are out now: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/great-canadian-ratings-report--brier-the-latest-big-ticket-sports-property-coming-up-short-153817345.html

    TFC-RBNY got 96,000 viewers on TSN. MTL-VAN had 205,000 on TSN (and you can add a bit onto that for RDS numbers which aren't out yet).

    Fairly low, and in line with the U.S. numbers for opening week as well. Dropped across the board compared to last year's opening weekend, except for Univision (Gio Dos Santos effect): http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/03/0...ening-weekend/
    isn't that at really good ratings for MLS on tsn ... compared to a mid-season game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
    isn't that at really good ratings for MLS on tsn ... compared to a mid-season game
    No use comparing season openers vs. mid-season games though.

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    MLS rides the wave of expansion every year pretty much. New teams breath new interest into the league which would explain the higher ratings last year, especially with the Orlando NYCFC game last year. MLS is what it is. No. 5 by a long shot in the N.A. pro sports landscape.

    The numbers in Canada are determined by time slot which is why the later Vancouver - Montreal got twice the rating the TFC game received. I think with all TFC games being at night this year it should transform in to higher ratings than afternoon games in previous years. Especially if TFC has an elite team which is looking pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    Ratings for the opening week are out now: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/great-canadian-ratings-report--brier-the-latest-big-ticket-sports-property-coming-up-short-153817345.html

    TFC-RBNY got 96,000 viewers on TSN. MTL-VAN had 205,000 on TSN (and you can add a bit onto that for RDS numbers which aren't out yet).

    Fairly low, and in line with the U.S. numbers for opening week as well. Dropped across the board compared to last year's opening weekend, except for Univision (Gio Dos Santos effect): http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/03/0...ening-weekend/
    Keep in mind that TFC game was only on TSN4 channel. It wasn't nationally broadcast game!

    So 96,000 isn't a bad number for regional TV number.

    EDIT: That being said, TV ratings are becoming less relevant these days thanks to online streaming.
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    I am interested to see what the action plan is to get more viewers on tv. As mentioned before the night games should help a little, but you wonder if that goes up against HNIC until June-ish.

    I wonder if there is a viable marketing plan in place to get more people interested. At this time, soccer is still a very niche sport in this country from a viewership perspective.

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    Wonder what are the international numbers, heard the game was broadcasted all over Europe. We have European players like Seba, Benoit, Damien. I am sure some fans there would want to watch them play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
    no chance CPL will be on TV. ... well maybe local rogers cable outlet.
    TSN losses $$$ on MLS right now as is, and they can barely fit the weekend games on, unless they are on wednesdays.
    If you parse through the CPL discussion, they are relying upon the CFL relationship with TSN to broker a deal for CPL to be on TSN. The idea is that the CPL would be treated like TSN treated the CFL back in the late 80's - bigger then it actually was and slowly build the hype train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    If you parse through the CPL discussion, they are relying upon the CFL relationship with TSN to broker a deal for CPL to be on TSN. The idea is that the CPL would be treated like TSN treated the CFL back in the late 80's - bigger then it actually was and slowly build the hype train.
    isn't that what they are already trying to do with MLS .. take ratings from nothing to something that can have a sustainable model for the league/TSN.
    Can't see tsn ever agreeing to this, unless they drop MLS rights. Then where do the MLS games end up. Sportsnet doesn't care, they already punted the whitecaps after getting the NHL deal and only show TFC because they are obligated by MLSE ownership

    TSN is never going to drop MLS for CPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
    ....TSN is never going to drop MLS for CPL
    Oh, I'm not saying TSN are dropping MLS. My understanding is CPL will be provided to TSN as part of TSN keeping the CFL happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    Keep in mind that TFC game was only on TSN4 channel. It wasn't nationally broadcast game!

    So 96,000 isn't a bad number for regional TV number.

    EDIT: That being said, TV ratings are becoming less relevant these days thanks to online streaming.
    tfc match was on 4/5. The whitecaps match wasn't nationally broadcast either. It was on 1/3.

    for a tfc opening match, it is a much lower rating but previous years was helped by playing against a cdn team. for a mid-season match, it's an okay rating but not making money for tsn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khso11 View Post
    Wonder what are the international numbers, heard the game was broadcasted all over Europe. We have European players like Seba, Benoit, Damien. I am sure some fans there would want to watch them play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areathrasher View Post
    That's not bad considering NYCFC have players like Pirlo and Villa. Curious to see the TFC numbers for Sky Sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Oh, I'm not saying TSN are dropping MLS. My understanding is CPL will be provided to TSN as part of TSN keeping the CFL happy.
    It will depend if TSN needs Canadian content or not. Since the CRTC allowed companies to spread out Canadian content over networks, Bell could put CPL games on any one of their networks and use it to free up prime time for non-Canadian content, just like they do with CTV (which now has pretty much zero Canadian content in prime time). Or if Bell and Rogers are successful in lobbying the CRCT and get the Canadian content requirements lowered again (or even eliminated as they want) then they won't need a CPL at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    Keep in mind that TFC game was only on TSN4 channel. It wasn't nationally broadcast game!

    So 96,000 isn't a bad number for regional TV number.

    EDIT: That being said, TV ratings are becoming less relevant these days thanks to online streaming.
    So, is the revenue from online streaming up or down this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    It will depend if TSN needs Canadian content or not. Since the CRTC allowed companies to spread out Canadian content over networks, Bell could put CPL games on any one of their networks and use it to free up prime time for non-Canadian content, just like they do with CTV (which now has pretty much zero Canadian content in prime time). Or if Bell and Rogers are successful in lobbying the CRCT and get the Canadian content requirements lowered again (or even eliminated as they want) then they won't need a CPL at all.
    TSN (along with all sports networks) easily hit cdn content requirements. its all news and live broadcasts .. in fact TSN recently boosted its US content substantially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    So, is the revenue from online streaming up or down this year?
    streaming is in those numbers if watching TSN broadcast (if it was MSG+ broadcoast not counted). My understanding is streaming numbers are still very low relative to live broadcast.
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    What Onyx said.


    I think the consensus on the past threads has been streaming is small and most people streaming don't use official stuff. The amount in the US is going up because of espngo. But nobody talks numbers, just % growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
    TSN (along with all sports networks) easily hit cdn content requirements. its all news and live broadcasts .. in fact TSN recently boosted its US content substantially.
    Okay, so they won't need any CPL games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
    streaming is in those numbers if watching TSN broadcast (if it was MSG+ broadcoast not counted). My understanding is streaming numbers are still very low relative to live broadcast.
    Im agreeing with you, but in todays day in age how is streaming not bigger for sports? Bogers is going to have no choice but to let go

    I mean I dont know anyone under 40 that watches tv shows through cable anymore. Its 1) netflix 2) other streaming

    The only thing people I know watch on cable/antenna is the news, reality tv/ food shows, and sports.

    When CBC had olympic app, everyone I know watched the app, why cant other sports go that direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Ronaldo View Post
    ...When CBC had olympic app, everyone I know watched the app, why cant other sports go that direction?
    The Olympics requires a host broadcaster be provided. The Olympics then sells the rights to broadcast those images within individual countries. Sports leagues do the opposite. They sell the right to broadcast and then its up to the broadcaseter to decide where to send. Sports broadcasters get their revenue from the monthly fee paid through a cable subscription - that and ad revenue. Streaming cuts out that first revenue stream.

    That and cable/phone companies philosophically believe that content should be paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The Olympics requires a host broadcaster be provided. The Olympics then sells the rights to broadcast those images within individual countries. Sports leagues do the opposite. They sell the right to broadcast and then its up to the broadcaseter to decide where to send. Sports broadcasters get their revenue from the monthly fee paid through a cable subscription - that and ad revenue. Streaming cuts out that first revenue stream.

    That and cable/phone companies philosophically believe that content should be paid for.
    It's going to be interesting to see how the cable/phone companies adjust in the future:

    http://www.wired.com/2016/03/faceboo...sports-online/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    It's going to be interesting to see how the cable/phone companies adjust in the future:

    http://www.wired.com/2016/03/faceboo...sports-online/
    interesting how that would work with teams owned by media corps

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    Not sure what some of you guys are smoking, but 96,000 for a season opening game is not just bad, it's SAD. Numbers that low means people just fell asleep with the tv on. That number should have been 250,000 plus

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    Quote Originally Posted by East York View Post
    Not sure what some of you guys are smoking, but 96,000 for a season opening game is not just bad, it's SAD. Numbers that low means people just fell asleep with the tv on. That number should have been 250,000 plus
    Perhaps. If the game was seen on the main TSN network, as the Vancouver-Montreal was, which got the numbers it did. But since it was on a channel most Canadians don't have, I'd say it wasn't too too bad, all things considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redcoe15 View Post
    Perhaps. If the game was seen on the main TSN network, as the Vancouver-Montreal was, which got the numbers it did. But since it was on a channel most Canadians don't have, I'd say it wasn't too too bad, all things considered.
    TFC Game was on TSN4 - its their biggest channel ... its the old the main network, the others (1,3,5) are regional feeds (west-->east).
    i watched the Vancouver game on TSN1 - which is the vancouver regional feed.

    TSN stopped putting MLS on all the channels a few years ago because the ratings are too low (only see wednesday or latenight games on all 4).
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    It should be pointed out that TSN has slowly been building Vancouver up as a brand. They show most games, use their top crew every game on them. Between that and Vancouver sucking less then us, not suprised they get bigger TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    It should be pointed out that TSN has slowly been building Vancouver up as a brand. They show most games, use their top crew every game on them. Between that and Vancouver sucking less then us, not suprised they get bigger TV.
    maybe their sponsorship plays a role in this ... just going out on a limb

 

 

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