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    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/1...duling-updates

    Highlights:

    So no more Lampard and Gerrard being injured and playing 90 3 days later.

    Another 2 week break in June.

    28 teams by 2020? Minnesota, Miami, Sacramento, & ?


    And more TAM is coming cause, you know, LAG needs something in exchange for Gerrard having to play an extra midweek game in San Jose.

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    I think the 4th team you're thinking of is LAFC. Their inaugural season will be 2017. If I were a betting man, I'd say Miami will be the last of the four clubs to start operations. Things are moving along down in south Florida, but somewhat slowly. Also, is Sacramento confirmed? I recall someone mentioning on here a while back that the league wants LAFC well-established first before considering another team in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/1...duling-updates

    Highlights:

    So no more Lampard and Gerrard being injured and playing 90 3 days later.

    Another 2 week break in June.

    28 teams by 2020? Minnesota, Miami, Sacramento, & ?


    And more TAM is coming cause, you know, LAG needs something in exchange for Gerrard having to play an extra midweek game in San Jose.
    Thanks for posting this, very interesting. I had forgotten that MLS Live was only a one-year extension. I'm afraid cord cutters like me are going to be screwed starting next season. Perhaps there won't be any way to watch the away games. I suppose I'll be giving my local bartender extra business if that's the case.

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    I was already counting LAFC and Atlanta.

    Sacremento has big money, lots of corporate support, a fan base and a SSS deal in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/1...duling-updates

    Highlights:

    So no more Lampard and Gerrard being injured and playing 90 3 days later.

    Another 2 week break in June.

    28 teams by 2020? Minnesota, Miami, Sacramento, & ?


    And more TAM is coming cause, you know, LAG needs something in exchange for Gerrard having to play an extra midweek game in San Jose.
    Surprised there was no mention in that article about potential changes to the timing of the start and finish of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/1...duling-updates

    Highlights:

    So no more Lampard and Gerrard being injured and playing 90 3 days later.

    Another 2 week break in June.

    28 teams by 2020? Minnesota, Miami, Sacramento, & ?


    And more TAM is coming cause, you know, LAG needs something in exchange for Gerrard having to play an extra midweek game in San Jose.
    I think I saw something on Twitter about a Canadian market as team 28, Calgary mentioned

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    Having 28 teams is madness, once the expansion money goes poof what then? Incredibly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Having 28 teams is madness, once the expansion money goes poof what then? Incredibly ridiculous.
    Completely agree. Without a major overhaul in the salary structure the talent quality will be diluted to shit.

    They might want to look at the NHL's experience as well. Just because you can drop franchises on a map that theoretically allows for a better TV deal doesn't mean anyone wants to watch your product.

    The state of the game in North America today by no means justifies the number of teams they are proposing.

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    I thought Garber stated that there would be no further MLS expansion into Canada, otherwise I think Ottawa would be up there for discussion.

    I'm thinking that after Miami and LAFC, the next teams in order would be Sacremento and San Antonio. I'm pretty sure they want another southern team in either Charlotte or Nashville to make a rival for Atlanta. Which leaves St Louis, Indianapolis, Louisville, Cincinnati, and whatever other teams want that last spot. If there are enough teams fighting for that last spot, I could easily see MLS announcing plans for expansion to 32 teams.

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    Really don't like the expansion idea. The only way this works and the quality remains good is if the salary cap is at least tripled. NHL is a perfect example of a diluted talent pool with too many teams and too long of a season.

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    There has been a lot of chatter about a salary cap increase coming. TAM is in essence a salary cap increase. But, to me the bigger way to drive quality of players is through the academy systems and USL.


    There is talk of 4 divisions of 7 each with the top 2 in each division getting a playoff spot while the next 4 in each conference get into the playoffs. You'd play each team in your division 2 times (12 games) and each other team in the league once (21). That's a manageable season but it will cut down on rivalries.

    I think they would split the east this way

    NER, NYCFC, NYRB, DCU, Toronto, Montreal, Philly

    Columbus, Chicago, Minnesota, RSL, Colorado, SKC, (expansion team)

    Miami, Orlando, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, (expansion team), (expansion team)

    Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, LAG, LAFC, Sacramento, San Jose


    Of course MLS will go where the money is for the expansion teams so this could be tweaked.


    I expect the 25th team to be Sacramento. The other 3 will be be whichever town has a lot of corporate support and a big money backer. In this economic climate, no way that's any Canadian team.

    Indy, San Antonio & one of St. Louis or Cincy or North Carolina.

    But, Indy, San Antonio & North Carolina would fit well into that system.

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    I don't like how fast the league is growing in Club numbers. To begin with you never see more then 24 teams in 1 division (in the UK they have Championship, League 1 and League 2 all have 24 clubs, at least that is the most I have ever herd of in 1 division, all other countries I have herd of 20,18,16,12 and 10 clubs). But more worry is just teams are not having much time to grow, to much clubs entering at to fast of a rate and that dilutes the league quality. Also I really think clubs should "HAVE TO" have a specific Soccer stadium under construction before they can enter the league. I hate how it looks in NY right now, emberasing playing at the oddly shaped Yankee stadium, and when are they actually going to get there own stadium? will they ever? Or Vancouver (it looks ok but a 20k stadium would be better) and even Seattle Sounders ( great fans, stadium looks decent, but still to big, and more importantly the Seahawks are still the main tenants, Sounders even played on a NFL covered grid iron field just a couple months back ). Slow down the league, slowly add teams if you must, make sure the team has the proper stadium in line before jumping the gun and adding more teams.

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    There is room for 128 clubs at MLS' talent level.

    But if we have to win a 28 team league, it'll be 128 years I fear before we hoist the cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    I expect the 25th team to be Sacramento. The other 3 will be be whichever town has a lot of corporate support and a big money backer. In this economic climate, no way that's any Canadian team.

    Indy, San Antonio & one of St. Louis or Cincy or North Carolina.

    But, Indy, San Antonio & North Carolina would fit well into that system.
    I expect four 7-team divisions, but i think they'll increase the number of games to 38 per season, with home and away games played against in-division teams and 5 of 7 teams in it's sister-division in conference. There would only be alternating home or away series against teams in the opposing conference. There would also be more mid-week games to balance the owners desire for games on weekends for gate receipts and network desires for mid-week games for TV ratings. I think they would look at adding teams in a geographical/time-zone grouping, North to South so that scheduling can take advantage of climates at different times of the year. Such as:

    EASTERN CONFERENCE:

    Atlantic: Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, NYRB, DCU, Philly, (Charlotte/Nashville)
    Northeast: Columbus, Chicago, NER, Toronto, Montreal, NYCFC, (Indianapolis/St Louis/Cincinnati)
    (the reason for splitting up the two NY teams is to make sure that market gets at least one home game from every team in the league once every season)
    WESTERN CONFERENCE:
    Central: RSL, Colorado, Houston, Dallas, SKC, Minnesota, (San Antonio/St Louis)
    Pacific: Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, LAG, LAFC, Sacramento, San Jose

    They would then break these groups up into eight 4-team divisions when they expand to 32 teams and schedule intra-conference games by shuffling divsions annually, like they do in the NFL without needing to add additional games to make the numbers work out better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    I think I saw something on Twitter about a Canadian market as team 28, Calgary mentioned
    no chance for calgary, it has really struggled to support teams in the past at other levels.

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    Is it going to be standard now that the ball is not out of play unless it is kicked into the crowd and no one can get to it quick enough to score while the opposing team wait to take a throw in !! :@)

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    I hate this the most:


    • New policy for All-Star players unable to compete in game - If a player is unable to play in the AT&T MLS All-Star Game, that player will be prohibited from playing in his next MLS match. In the event a player is declared medically fit for his match immediately following the All-Star Game, he will be precluded from playing in such match, but will receive "credit" for playing in such match for bonuses and option triggers.

    So Seba this year would need to skip a vital match after the break. Not liking that idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateo1985 View Post
    I hate this the most:


    • New policy for All-Star players unable to compete in game - If a player is unable to play in the AT&T MLS All-Star Game, that player will be prohibited from playing in his next MLS match. In the event a player is declared medically fit for his match immediately following the All-Star Game, he will be precluded from playing in such match, but will receive "credit" for playing in such match for bonuses and option triggers.

    So Seba this year would need to skip a vital match after the break. Not liking that idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateo1985 View Post
    I hate this the most:


    • New policy for All-Star players unable to compete in game - If a player is unable to play in the AT&T MLS All-Star Game, that player will be prohibited from playing in his next MLS match. In the event a player is declared medically fit for his match immediately following the All-Star Game, he will be precluded from playing in such match, but will receive "credit" for playing in such match for bonuses and option triggers.

    So Seba this year would need to skip a vital match after the break. Not liking that idea
    He did. He didn't play vs Seattle.
    But I agree, this is stupid... Are players contractually obligated to play the all star game if chosen?

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    ^ Real rotten rule. Garber during the Cup HT show says: "If a player is injured, then he's injured." Thanks Doc. Apparently he's never heard of players picking up slight knocks. If players are trying that hard to avoid the all-star game then maybe that is saying something. The league shouldn't just extort its best players. But then again, MLS owns the contracts so they can get away with it. Poor form though.

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    Lampard and Gerrard were picked by Garber.

    They both baled and then played.


    Garber don't like being stood up.


    New rule.

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    I understand it. Garber doesn't care about the all star game per se. It's about the damage to sponsor relationships. Partying with the stars at the all star game anchors the whole sales pitch.

    My guess is that the Euro star players don't mind playing nearly so much as they mind that crap. They dont have to do that back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    I think I saw something on Twitter about a Canadian market as team 28, Calgary mentioned
    Don't think it would ever happen. Garber has pretty much declared the league is done with Canadian expansion, and I think he really means it. Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal can all build on their local support with other fans spread out across the country, so it doesn't really bother me that much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Having 28 teams is madness, once the expansion money goes poof what then? Incredibly ridiculous.
    Yeah, I can't say I disagree. I mean, 24 clubs seems bad enough when it comes to thinning the talent pool and regional fanbases. I think there are some cities that would be great soccer towns, but it's going to require a good balancing act to keep all those franchises in good order in terms of competitiveness and profitability.
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    I love the fact he's had to make a rule out of this. It re-enforces and breathes fresh life into the debate they wish they didn't need to acknowledge - That you can't respect the importance of sponsor gladhanding more than, or put it above, the importance of the season.

    NFL, damn you for making me compliment you, but you are the only NA sport that's got it right when it comes to All star games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat View Post
    I love the fact he's had to make a rule out of this. It re-enforces and breathes fresh life into the debate they wish they didn't need to acknowledge - That you can't respect the importance of sponsor gladhanding more than, or put it above, the importance of the season.

    NFL, damn you for making me compliment you, but you are the only NA sport that's got it right when it comes to All star games.
    At least the NHL's main event of the year is now the winter classic. I wouldn't be surprised to see an "all star" type game brought in and have the event extended to a week long in the near future.

    Allstar games have worn out their novelty here, the only exciting events associated with any of them are the HR contest and the dunk contest (every 3 or 4 years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat View Post
    NFL, damn you for making me compliment you, but you are the only NA sport that's got it right when it comes to All star games.
    The only thing they do right is put it at the end of the year, because throwball is an injury sport. Players are looking to injure players on tackles. They could never put this game midseason an 5 players get concussions, and 3 tear their ACLs lol. The Pro-bowl is the most unrealistic game of all the all-star games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pint View Post
    At least the NHL's main event of the year is now the winter classic. I wouldn't be surprised to see an "all star" type game brought in and have the event extended to a week long in the near future.

    Allstar games have worn out their novelty here, the only exciting events associated with any of them are the HR contest and the dunk contest (every 3 or 4 years).
    I agree. All-star games have worn out, its because in every league now (NBA, NHL) all the stars "respect each other" (if you get what I mean).
    Its now about showcasing the individual skill, against others and I think this is something the MLS should tap into.

    FIFA skill games would be interesting doing.



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    What the hell is that!

    there has to be labour laws for this, how can this possibly fly through the players union as okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Completely agree. Without a major overhaul in the salary structure the talent quality will be diluted to shit.

    They might want to look at the NHL's experience as well. Just because you can drop franchises on a map that theoretically allows for a better TV deal doesn't mean anyone wants to watch your product.

    The state of the game in North America today by no means justifies the number of teams they are proposing.


    Then you're really going to hate it when there's 32 teams because that's where the league is going (minimum) and the salary budget will radically change.

    And to Richard: The expansion money has nothing to do with the day-to-day operations of MLS. The fees go to the owners because as new teams enter it dilutes the current owners' share.



    I think it's funny reading all the negative comments on expansion on a site of an expansion team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza_55 View Post


    I think it's funny reading all the negative comments on expansion on a site of an expansion team.
    Eventually you have to stop. What's so funny?

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    I think it's OK to keep expanding - but when they hit 30 teams... Division 1 and Division 2 with promotion and relegation. Should emulate t he most successful soccer systems in the world. Our 2nd half of the season would have been so much more thrilling if we had been in relegation battles for the first 7 years.

 

 

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