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    It's a personal thing for sure. Must have rubbed Floro the wrong way.

    Osorio is not the best and he does need to improve. Earlier this year I said he should never be on a starting XI in MLS but he came around. His game is still flawed but it's better and he is showing he can improve. If we were a better footballing country than Canada then I would openly say "yeah, leave him off until he grows a but more" but we're Canada and we're shit. There is no hope for this cycle so you might as well run with guys that you'd expect to be prime players in the next cycle and if Osorio isn't seen as a prime player for 2022 then we have no hope in that one either.

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    Would Osorio be better off playing more advanced as a striker, can he be turned into a DeRosario type of player???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    A clip from one home game against one of the worst teams in the east proves what exactly? I didn't see any of those end in a goal. Nutmegs are great and all but if the possession goes nowhere then...?

    7 assists is nothing to sneeze at, you're absolutely right. However, I think we both know that number is significantly closer to 0 than it is 7 if Giovinco isn't on this team. Let's be real you could have gotten assist number 7 if you were on the field to hand Seba the ball to undress the Shite Bulls. Conversely if stats matter to you then how do you explain his goal production that has dried up year over year for the past 2 years?

    Again, not saying I hate the guy or have anything against him. I just think he's still a boy in a man's game and that it's not a bad thing to give him time.
    Did you see a lack of confidence in those clips? There's a difference between believing in yourself and having an eye for goal around the box.

    I don't know why they gave him an assist for Seba's wonder goal, but that and Seba's 2nd against Colorado were the only goals Giovinco scored off Osorio assists, so that argument holds no water.

    The drop in goals is easy to explain; his role has changed. He plays out wide now instead of centrally, is less advanced, and understands other players have a bigger goal scoring role than him. It's no coincidence his assists have risen year over year during the same time span.

    Based on your comments focusing on his goal scoring (none of the clips were possessions that "went nowhere" for example) I think you have unrealistic expectations based on his first season. He was never that kind of player, that team was just dire offensively and the goals had to come from somewhere. If you adjust your perception of the kind of player he is you will see that he's improved significantly and ended the year as one of our most important players. Lord knows he was missed in midfield in that 2-0 loss to Columbus.

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    Based on what I've seen of JDG in a Canadian Uniform this past year, Oso is better.

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    You can't compare JDG to Oso as they're different players and play different roles on CMNT. JDG brings his experience + is a defensive mid.

    At best Oso is a bench player on CMNT.

    Floro usually plays with 1 striker which likely means Larin. So, Oso would need to beat out Hutch, Johnson, Tesho, Ricketts & Hoilett and possibly Cavallini to start as one of the 2 or 3 offensive mids. Only Ricketts would be behind Oso overall but Ricketts does have one attribute of speed that can be helpful in certain situations. Oso isn't a difference maker and doesn't have any one above-average skill to warrant being a auto selection.

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    On current form Osorio is easily above Tesho as well.

    He's not a lock to start but he should obviously be in the squad. There's no justification for having Froese in there over him, and Piette either (Hutchinson, Johnson, Teibert, De Guzman and even Straith are better DMs, and 4 is enough).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr k View Post
    You can't compare JDG to Oso as they're different players and play different roles on CMNT. JDG brings his experience + is a defensive mid.

    At best Oso is a bench player on CMNT.

    Floro usually plays with 1 striker which likely means Larin. So, Oso would need to beat out Hutch, Johnson, Tesho, Ricketts & Hoilett and possibly Cavallini to start as one of the 2 or 3 offensive mids. Only Ricketts would be behind Oso overall but Ricketts does have one attribute of speed that can be helpful in certain situations. Oso isn't a difference maker and doesn't have any one above-average skill to warrant being a auto selection.
    Half the players you listed rarely show up for Canada or aren't midfielders and the other half simply aren't better than osorio. And to be frank none of those guys connect the midfield the way he does, so he adds something different to the team they do not already have.

    Let's look at who they've actually been fielding instead of Osorio. This includes guys like Beker, Piette, JDG, and even Lapare on occasion. The service to Larin has been terrible and the team isn't generating results.

    Floro picked the same fight with Tiebert about a year ago. These incidents have achieved nothing and Floro has been ineffective.

    We can't seriously be having this conversation about Osorio being a legit selection for one of the worst Canadian squads i've ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Half the players you listed rarely show up for Canada or aren't midfielders and the other half simply aren't better than osorio. And to be frank none of those guys connect the midfield the way he does, so he adds something different to the team they do not already have.

    Let's look at who they've actually been fielding instead of Osorio. This includes guys like Beker, Piette, JDG, and even Lapare on occasion. The service to Larin has been terrible and the team isn't generating results.

    Floro picked the same fight with Tiebert about a year ago. These incidents have achieved nothing and Floro has been ineffective.

    We can't seriously be having this conversation about Osorio being a legit selection for one of the worst Canadian squads i've ever seen.
    Very true this 👆. They have become painful to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    On current form Osorio is easily above Tesho as well.

    He's not a lock to start but he should obviously be in the squad. There's no justification for having Froese in there over him, and Piette either (Hutchinson, Johnson, Teibert, De Guzman and even Straith are better DMs, and 4 is enough).
    Froese, needs to be capped early in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [NBF] View Post
    Froese, needs to be capped early in his career.
    Did he not have to file a 1 time switch from cuba? pretty sure both he and Aird are captied already from the 1 time switch.

    The only player who is actually going to be capped is Hoilett.

    As for oso we know its not a performance related leaving off its floro trying to teach him some sort of lesson.

 

 

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