I just thought I'd add this since there seems to be an assumption that the majority want Vanney gone. Hopefully this will clear things up. Trying again, Just give me a couple of minutes to add the poll.
Yes, he should be given at least another half season.
No, but only if Jason Kreis takes over as head coach.
No, he had his chance. Someone else should be brought in.
I'm fine with either outcome. He can stay or go.
Vanney Poll
I just thought I'd add this since there seems to be an assumption that the majority want Vanney gone. Hopefully this will clear things up. Trying again, Just give me a couple of minutes to add the poll.
I would read answer #2 as keep Vanney unless Kreis comes along.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I voted yes. We are building a team, we took steps forward this season.
However - if we hired Kreis I wouldn't be pissed. But I wouldn't expect TFC to make the play-offs in Kreis' first season - in which case we will probably be in the same place next year (arguing whether Kries deserves another season or not).
Then the argument would be that Kreis was a great MLS 2.0 coach but doesn't know MLS 3.0. A negative narrative can always be found.Originally Posted by T-boy
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I chose option #2 but stretched its meaning to "anyone with some managerial clout." If history is any indication, management would pick the first noob without any experience or guy with a track record of failure. As much as I have grown to dislike Vanney, the club really cannot afford to do that again.
Yes, that was what I was going for with question 2. I'm not sure I'd want another manager unless it was Arena or Sigi. What I'm getting from this is that the Majority want to keep Vanney unless they can get Kreis. However, if the TFC FO takes a pass on Kreis, I'm assuming that a minority would be okay with that and the majority could live with it.
Last edited by Initial B; 11-03-2015 at 10:57 AM.
I don't like all the turnover at TFC so I really wanted Vanney to work out and didn't want to see more change but at the same time I don't like the fact that Vanney talked to Bradley to find out what is going on with the team during the last few games and the fact that Bradley seems to have so much say and Vanney either allows it or is told to allow it. It doesn't give me a very easy feeling with Vanney going forward although at times he seemed decent enough especially compared to some of the coaches we have had. TFC lacked motivation and any tactics to handle Montreal in the last two games once Montreal adjusted their tactics. I don't think he handled it well but then again you have to go through that to learn and to become better at coaching those situations. Just wish it wasn't TFC that he was learning at. I don't know what to think. Luckily it is not my decision. I have enough stress in my life. I will just watch and wait to see what they do.
I just think no matter who is the coach ever, they will always realistically need at least a season to get the team playing "their way". It's unrealistic to think that a new coach can have instant success (those coaches who do normally have a short term success, but we are looking for long term).
I was going to say: only get rid of Vanney if you have a replacement. But hearing the players at the press conference throw him under the bus, I have to say that we need to get rid of him now. He's lost the dressing room. Pretty much what we saw in the last couple of games as well.
Well now that Manning has said they're keeping Vanney, maybe we will lose some players instead. Some good ones.
I thought I was on the fence until the news from Manning this morning that he's likely to stay. It made me realize I have zero faith in Vanney both tactically and in terms of commanding respect. Hopefully I'm wrong, but as it turns out I'm an anti-Vanney partisan and I only just found out.
Next season is a wash already. Going to be a long, long year with no signs of TFC PTSD being abated.
Edit - Barring a lot of amazing player moves and if I trust the words today of sticking with the team we have for the most part, I say no playoffs in 2016.
Last edited by Ultra & Proud; 11-03-2015 at 01:53 PM.
At this point I don't believe Vanney gets 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0. So there's that.
Nice and sadly true.
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Waiting patiently for ensco to jump in on this...
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does anyone know if coaches salary makes up part of the salary cap. I would love to see CAPELLO here. He will attract a lot of good players... next step for MLS is to attract designated coaches....
There is no cap on coach's salaries, and they are not part of the player's salary budget. Some people have guessed that MLS may have some role in hiring/selection of coaches, but we really have no idea.
Capello is the rumored target for NYCFC actually.
Sounds good in theory, but remember we are still limited by a salary cap. I don't know that someone like Capello will have the knowledge of MLS to be successful. Tactically great coach, but it's a bit different when your dealing with a Kantari, rather than a Cannavaro.
It's absolutely why I would have loved someone like Kreis to be here.
Last edited by CanadaLFC; 11-03-2015 at 05:51 PM.
This poll is kinda pointless after today. Vanney is staying, so we have no choice but to "like it" and move along with it. I do like Bill Manning, and I think he's going to be a very strong leader from at the very top. I think that'll help a lot. Also, Kreis is clearly not coming here, at least now, so it's time to face the facts and move on - and to throw our support behind Vanney for now because he's running the team, and there's no point in complaining about it (as much as I don't think he's the right man for the job).
Fix the defense and Vanney will have us in the play-offs - this time with a home fixture. Riskier than a man of experience (such as Kreis) in my opinion, but with Giovinco anything is possible.
I voted yes but think the time frame is far too short. Greg needs more time, period. Loved Manning comments about him and his decision to keep Vanney.
Vanney making the back-line into a scapegoat when they played the entire season without proper support. What a load. Next year will be a repeat of this year except much worse since Giovinco wil be leaving for the Euro's. You could bring the best defenders in the world and vanney will surely find a way to fuck it up.
Three years ago, I actually posted that I thought Paul Mariner was doing a good coaching job after TFC's comeback win against Vancouver. And we all know what happened after that. So what the fuck do I know?
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Team mgmt said the same thing about Mariner at the end of his disaster, that he would be staying on. I wouldn't expect them to say anything different in public. Behind closed doors, I hope Manning is talking to people about the job.
^ That is what I am thinking. Manning appraised the team well, and I would have to say that while he has given Vanny an ultimatum he must be looking for possible replacement already, and if the right one comes on during the off season I hope that they take him on.
That is possible.
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No for me. Its obvious from basic tactical and organization errors he's not the man to take us forward. The fact that the main reason I think of keeping him is that it would be good not to change managers again so soon is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Even if he stays, and even if we make the playoffs again, I cant see him leading us too a Championship title (which should be a realistic aim for a side with our budget.)
Now where's the poll about firing Bezbatchenko???
Totally agree that the team shape is responsible for defence issues, as well as lack of quality possession in general, and it is on the coach.
yes, it's easy to conclude that Kreis said "I'm not ready to make that kind of decision" or something like that. Interesting to see how it plays out.
This is what I think. I wish I didn't, Vanney has grown on me as a person, I think he is straight up and smart. Unfortunately, he isn't effective at translating those qualities into results.
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