Yallop out in Chicago finally. Link
Chicago part ways with Yallop
Yallop out in Chicago finally. Link
And to think, some people wanted him here.
What a dumpster fire that would have been.
Nelson Rodriguez going to Chicago as GM is significant. He's the MLS executive "fixer." Garber sent him to Chivas USA to handle the ownership transfer from Vergara and the wind down of operations. Impossible to know for sure, but reasonable to think that the recent supporter protests might have gotten some of their message through.
Poor Gilberto.
I would absolutely look at Yallop for the TFC job in the offseason.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Yallop hasn't adjusted to realities of mls 3.0. Poor choiceOriginally Posted by ensco
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
absolutely, or absolutely not?
Yallop is an assistant coach at best these days.
Maybe Saputo would hire Yallop for next season? lol
Just realized this is terrible timing as far as we are concerned. Last thing we need for the game 9/26 is a new coach bounce for Fire.
This.
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Chicago has had minimal success under Yallop. His best days were over a decade ago with his first tenure with Earthquakes, and I gotta agree with the sentiment that he just hasn't been able to adapt to the current realities of the league. I'm sure any club in the league could find a use for his experience, but not as a Head Coach.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
This is a classic phrase that gets bandied about .... I don't know what that means. In what way does Sigi Schmid or Bruce Arena epitomize "MLS 3.0", that Yallop does not?
What are we talking about besides results? Yallop achieved some real success in his second stint in second stint in SJ. Chicago's got an ownership/FO problem.
All the player acquisition should happen elsewhere in an FO anyway. Can he coach, or can he not?
I say he can, and I'd take Yallop over Vanney in a flash
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
I know some of you really hate Vanney, but so much so that you want Yallop? Have you seen Chicago play?
Yallop was considered in the early days for TFC, I would have taken him as a replacement for Mo in 2007. These days I'd totally consider him - for TFC II.
You guys are confusing the decision with the result.
Yallop is a rarity, a veteran MLS coach with a record of some success. When Chicago got him, it was a coup, a good hire. The fact that he was a bust there doesn't change that much, he didn't have much to work with. It only slightly negatively influences my view of his overall body of work.
This idea that he is some sort of has been, is ridiculous. He will get a head coaching job in this league next year.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
It's not just an ownership problem. In almost three years, the team has no identity. Are they a direct, counter-attacking or possession team? He plays people out of position or doesn't know who his best players are (Harry Shipp plays on the wing, Matt Polster plays at RB? Michael Stephens on the bench?). These are coaching decisions.
I can only speak to his wikipedia record lol
His career record doesn't seem to be that good - from 2006-2015 his teams have only made the playoffs twice - one of which was an MLS Supporters Shield Season. Still not great though.
What makes you think he is good enough?
Keeping in mind he was cut loose in LA - a team that had as many DP Egos that we currently have - as well as a hack FO.
SJ was very organized, and had good results given that they were an expansion team and don't spend.
Chicago was mostly a dumpster fire, I don't disagree about that. But it was less than two years, and the FO was more than 50% of the problem.
I just think you guys are vastly under rating experience - this league is incredibly hard for outsiders to come in to. I am not wild about some Italian with no MLS exposure coming in here.
If Vanney goes, the only good idea I've seen is Schellotto.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
http://m.mlssoccer.com/news/article/...d-more-week-29
Some interesting thoughts to why fire sucked under yallop. It's not that he didn't have good players. He just didn't know how to use them
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I'm not trying to defend Yallop but in LA the only DP he had to coach was Beckham, and that was only for half a season. He was bought out after the season and Ruud Gullit (and we all know how that ended) was brought in.
I agree with most on here though that Frank hasn't adapted to the new realities of this league. In the modern era of MLS, his teams have only made the playoffs twice and have only finished higher then 6th in the conference once.
There are no "new realities". Soccer is soccer.
That is a bad situation in Chicago.
I'd actually like to see him back with the CMNT, but he told a few too many truths after he left the first time.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
I have to respectfully disagree. I get your point that soccer is soccer but MLS now compared to even 5 years ago is a very different league. The league has evolved tactically, technically and financially. SJ (for one year) and RSL were able to buck the trend for a little while but there is a reason that LA has been so successful over the past few years. They spend (boat loads of) money in the right places and have a technical staff who understand how how to put together a team with the resources available to them.
I sure did...in 2008.
I'm surprised reading the thread that that is still the case. Yallop didn't like the TFC organization before. I wonder if he'd consider it now??
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Pretty much. Too many people are searching here or there for the person who will "save" this team. Consistency is being under-rated, even a coach like Vanney with some deficiencies can do well in this league if you give him a few years. Vanney is not a Mariner. his weak areas aren't fatal, he clearly is still willing to learn and experiment, and he probably will grow to be a really good coach in this league. Some people want a 'proven' coach to "win now," but if the so-called 'proven' coach is someone who produced years ago under what was quite a different league, they will be sadly disappointed. Then comes the search for a new savior. Rinse, wash, repeat. NYRB went through that for so many years, can't we learn from their stupidity? Do we have to ask for the same thing?
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
It probably was Anselmi, so maybe he'd take a look now. Funny thing that no-one has mentioned swiping Robbo from the Whitecaps? He loves Toronto. Not that I wouldn't want to give Vanney another season first.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Vanney is better off than he was 2 years ago. If he left he wouldn't be in the lurch professionally.
FORMER FULL TIME KOOL-AID DRINKER
The reality is that yallop plays soccer suited to less talented mls 1.0 Era. Better coaches have adjusted to reality of mls 3.0 and get more out of their players.
Yallop's primary tactic is still play 2 holding mids and pump the ball up the flank and a cross to some kind of target striker. That no longer works consistently anymore
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Robbo is better positioned to win cups in a team he built w caps than tfc. What does moving to tfc gain him? Robb won't move from caps unless a good euro offer comes
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Well, there is that Donovan guy...
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
He was grandfathered and wasn't considered a DP when Yallop was there.
And you and I know that's mere technicality
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
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