Originally Posted by khso11
...this...
he is a joy to watch - i am so happy he's a red
also i don't know if anyone else saw this at the end of the game or if it is at all significant but when Vanney was out on the pitch shaking players hands Giovinco seems to brush right by him - it stood out to me....maybe i'm over interpreting but he brushed right by him without stopping - it was almost awkward....
A goal and an assist isn't bad for a doo doo player I'd say....
LOL he made you and all the twitterverse arm chair analysts eat your words.
he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.
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Totally agree on all counts.... also we found goals from supporting players today, this is a good sign.
How about Konopka settling down and playing well the last few matches?
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When Altidore is back he won't be, but in this league he is better than average depth on a fair salary.
This is the last time I'll reiterate.... but Moore is excellent depth in this capped league.
I agree with you completely.
Dude we can only buy three DP's, and then are limited to spend ~ $2.5 million on the rest of the team.
Give your head a shake.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Last edited by Alonso; 05-30-2015 at 11:33 PM.
He wouldn't be if Jozy was fit. He's a squad player and did a good job today. What more do you want from a squad player. A goal and an assist against an in form team. Not a bad return........
Honestly, nothing and no one to complain about for the second straight week. A few weeks ago, I had Vanney, Moore, and Creavalle on my ultimate shit list. Since then all have been good to great. If I can shut up about them then everyone can and should.
Yeah he's making a strong case for the starting position in my opinion.
His distribution and handling crosses seems to be better than Bendik right now....
That's exactly it. To me Luke Moore is the least of the problems. We have worse liabilities at other positions that are more important. If you put Giovinco beside a half decent MLS striker that can finish, he will produce. So for me, Altidore probably isn't best DP allocation. Having another central mid or even a central defender would be a better use of the DP slot. That being said, there is 0 chance that happens. It is just consistent with my view that #9s are a bad allocation of DP slots. The best IMO, secondary strikers (like Giovinco), holding mids (Bradley, Frings), central defenders (Matteo Ferrari wasn't a DP I don't think, but he was an anchor for the impact), and attacking mids (Kaka). #9s & fullbacks in particular are not involved in the game enough.
He wouldn't be if Jozy was fit. He's a squad player and did a good job today. What more do you want from a squad player. A goal and an assist against an in form team. Not a bad return........
Find a 3/4th choice striker in this league without limitations in their ability.
Moore had a decent game, and in the right situation can do a job. An advanced forward who can hold up the play, especially when you are defending deep and putting little pressure on the ball has it's value both defensively and offensively, especially when playing with a pacey player such as giovinco, or being able to drop the ball inside to Bradley or cheyrou to retain possession.
He did that well enough today.
1 goal and assist on winning goal, tracked back to break plays. You seem to be trolling, you should have one of those 'red' reputation warnings.
I've been a big fan since he stole us that huge point in the NER game. The defensive line has settled in as well, though.
I'd like to see him try and aim his monster goal-kicks to our players a bit more, but I say, keep him in.
From what I have seen I like Konopka better than Bendik now that the nerves have settled. He seems more of a presence in the box for corners and crosses and just seems quicker to react to various plays. The beard may get in his way eventually depending on how long he will grow it. I say nothing past ZZ Top length.
[QUOTE=flatpicker;1745431]After a rough patch during the long road trip, this team is really starting to come together. This looks to be the most promising season we have ever had. 4
Great game today, teams coming together nicely. 4-1-1 and only conceding 4 goals, 2 of them on PK's, not bad.
Look bad in who's eyes? I'm sorry, who exactly are we trying to impress?
We convinced Giovinco to come here. I couldn't give 2 shits what people on the internet think.
Too bad the table doesn't mean much, otherwise I think the support behind this team would be growing stronger amongst the Toronto sports community.
This appears to be a good team getting more organized as we go.
Yep. That is 100% true.
I thought it was $436.000 max per guy, so $3.5m-$1.3m=$2.2M. then i figured out you have to spend around $1.2M on 4 quality defenders and quality goalie to compete.
That leaves you $1M to spend on rest of team. So stop debating Luke Moore, he is fine for the money TFC is paying him.
two games jozy is out, two games moore is in two wins,
Just a clarification that gets my knickers in a bunch.
TFC isn't paying Moore anything.
MLS is paying Moore. Moore's contract is held, signed with and paid by the league. As are the vast majority of MLS players. If there is an issue with any player's terms, conditions, salaries… that's on MLS not TFC.
Secondly, as a result of that, TFC doesn't really "sign" anyone for the most part. They choose contracts from the signed player pool. Internationals are a bit different in that they can make discovery signings and bring players to the MLS talent pool that they can keep. Again though, the contract is negotiated with, signed by and held with the league. The majority of the roster comes from players signed to the league and selected by teams to play for them.
Most MLS teams spend 150K each on keepers and a quality FB and about 200K each on any quality CD. But almost all of them have somebody in around 40 to 70K, like a Hagglund or a Morgan.
Toronto is spending about 350K each on Perquis and Caldwell.
Oh, and Pookie, you're right but the proper term is spending as TFC is spending a budget as outlined/provided by MLS. In this case the discussion is how much to spend within that framework.
Last edited by OgtheDim; 05-31-2015 at 07:50 AM.
Technically though, isn't' the choice about who to "spend" on? The "how much" part has already been contracted by MLS.
I see it more like a fantasy draft. You have been allocated points and you choose players to fill your roster that have already been assigned points.
Semantics I guess.
The main point is that TFC doesn't choose the contract values for a Morrow or Morgan or etc, etc. MLS does. TFC fits those players in under an assigned budget, like a fantasy draft. And being over budget isn't really a problem in most cases with allocation money that MLS flexes for its own reasons. (Or technically, "For reasons as deemed appropriate by the Competition Committee")
Thats not how it actually works though Pookie - the clubs negotiate and choose players within the rules, and MLS signs off, or not. Sometimes they are involved earlier in the process but with Morgan, for example, TFC signed him and MLS agreed, he wasn't part of a pool. Same with Moore - TFC traded with another team, they didn't go to MLS and ask for a striker from the pool of players.
Crap weather days bring out true supporters. The crowd may have been smaller, but, the 4000 "Ken and Barbies" that didn't show don't really contribute much to atmosphere anyways.
It was a BLAST being there yesterday!!!!
wasnt able to attend in person but watched the game later in the evening. On TV the atmosphere sounded great. Also got to watch some of the great build up plays on replay a few times and that first goal really got me out of my seat or couch in this case.
If the atmosphere is that good in open air I am really looking forward to the roof adding even more intensity to home games. With the south end full of supporters and flanked with 111, is 211 the next potential supporters section? Again thinking with a roof that will add even more to the wall of sound.
And won't be when Jozy returns to the lineup, just a comment
Stats only tell part of the story.
Curious where you got the pass completion rate stat from? I can't find it on MLS website
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