Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN 5m5 minutes ago
Vanney very non-committal on need for a new centre-back. Says all of TFC's centre-backs have positives and negatives.
Okay - now can we finally give up the ghost of believing that this guy can fix our defense?
Vanney: "I know for a fact we'll be a better defensive team next year."
Based on what? The response from the team?
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
If Kreis was offered the job but turned it down, why would Manning even mention speaking with Kreis?
I think he probably reached out to Kreis to see if there was interest, then whatever the response from Kreis decided to keep Vanney.
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I just love how Manning felt that the reason why we have been shit since day one is because we never gave a coach more than 2 years to succeed. Sure, that's exactly the problem. We should have definitely given Mo Johnston, Cummins, Preki, Dasovic, Winter, Mariner and Nelsen more time. Had nothing to do with the fact that they were inexperienced and not right for the job - just like Vanney. /Sarcasm
A question, is this now Manning's job to hire/fire coaches, or is it still in little Tim's domain?
Well it is a common perception around the league that this is the exact reason we are shit. The more correct perception is to take a look at that list of ex-managers and see who went on to do anything of note afterward. Most of them are like our former players from those eras; selling condos or operating motels but nothing more to with football than watching it on TV.
That's true. But not a top flight club team. I should have made that clear. My point is that if we feel that our choices of coaches are any good, then why are other clubs not interested? If stability is our only problem, and not the quality of the coaches, then surely one of them would be at a club in a top division somewhere right now. At least one. But no.
Good managers get fired all the time, but they don't just fall off the map.
Reading between the lines, I think Manning put out a feeler last night, and Kreis politely turned him down. Today, we get the public vote of confidence in Vanney.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I was there today at the grounds. Vanney seemed pretty relaxed before his time in front of the mic.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I cannot think of any sensible reason for Manning to mention that he spoke with Kreis. If Kreis turned TFC down, it makes TFC look bad. If Manning didn't offer the job, why even mention it. In either case, it leaves everyone guessing, and undermines Vanney: either support him 100%; or ditch him when that is no longer the case.
Plus if they hire a new coach 6 months from now, he will forever be compared with Kreis, especially as I expect Kreis will do a good job with whatever team hires him.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
That may be true, but we hired him to make tough calls in tough situations like this one. He decided to throw his support behind Vanney, and that may come back to haunt him at a later date. No one in their right mind would have objected to hiring the first proper experienced AND successful coach in the clubs history. Who could criticize that? Most clubs would take the guy, probably even some European ones.
All the interviews are up on TFC's Youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/user/torontofc/videos
Long live the Deathwatch!
I like the targets - we had only one given this season and although we met it, none of us are happy.
If Vanney doesn't get this team improved before the first home game, he's gone.