Setting the bar pretty low there. We should be challenging for the supporter's shield with our budget.Originally Posted by notthesun
With Vanney being on a short leash next year expect us to give up on the Voyageurs Cup once again
Kreis would have taken that competition seriously.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN 5m5 minutes ago
Vanney very non-committal on need for a new centre-back. Says all of TFC's centre-backs have positives and negatives.
Okay - now can we finally give up the ghost of believing that this guy can fix our defense?
Vanney: "I know for a fact we'll be a better defensive team next year."
Based on what? The response from the team?
MLS rules and past history says the amount of money you spend on players doesn't have a direct co relation to how strong your team is.Setting the bar pretty low there. We should be challenging for the supporter's shield with our budget.
With Vanney being on a short leash next year expect us to give up on the Voyageurs Cup once again
Kreis would have taken that competition seriously.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
If Kreis was offered the job but turned it down, why would Manning even mention speaking with Kreis?
I think he probably reached out to Kreis to see if there was interest, then whatever the response from Kreis decided to keep Vanney.
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Perhaps Nelsen is coming back?
I just love how Manning felt that the reason why we have been shit since day one is because we never gave a coach more than 2 years to succeed. Sure, that's exactly the problem. We should have definitely given Mo Johnston, Cummins, Preki, Dasovic, Winter, Mariner and Nelsen more time. Had nothing to do with the fact that they were inexperienced and not right for the job - just like Vanney. /Sarcasm
Well, having him at CB would definitely be an upgrade.
A question, is this now Manning's job to hire/fire coaches, or is it still in little Tim's domain?
Well it is a common perception around the league that this is the exact reason we are shit. The more correct perception is to take a look at that list of ex-managers and see who went on to do anything of note afterward. Most of them are like our former players from those eras; selling condos or operating motels but nothing more to with football than watching it on TV.
Not Bez anymore. This hiring is probably going to be a lot like Shapiro on the Jays and Bez will be back to position more like he had when Payne was here.
Exactly. Unlike former TFC players who go on to win championships, our former managers go on to, well, not coach. I don't think any of the former TFC managers are currently coaching. Even Carver, who quit, didn't get fired.
I think Winter is managing Netherlands national under-19 football team.
That's true. But not a top flight club team. I should have made that clear. My point is that if we feel that our choices of coaches are any good, then why are other clubs not interested? If stability is our only problem, and not the quality of the coaches, then surely one of them would be at a club in a top division somewhere right now. At least one. But no.
Good managers get fired all the time, but they don't just fall off the map.
Reading between the lines, I think Manning put out a feeler last night, and Kreis politely turned him down. Today, we get the public vote of confidence in Vanney.
if that's suppose to be a vote of confidence, then Manning needs lessons from a PR specialist because it did not sound like a vote of confidence at all
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I think he knew what he was doing. It's a semi vote of confidence with a hefty dose of pressure piled on top.
I was there today at the grounds. Vanney seemed pretty relaxed before his time in front of the mic.
The word "stability" saved him.
yeah. it's the same kind of vote of confidence English league managers get before they get the sack after the next game
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I cannot think of any sensible reason for Manning to mention that he spoke with Kreis. If Kreis turned TFC down, it makes TFC look bad. If Manning didn't offer the job, why even mention it. In either case, it leaves everyone guessing, and undermines Vanney: either support him 100%; or ditch him when that is no longer the case.
Plus if they hire a new coach 6 months from now, he will forever be compared with Kreis, especially as I expect Kreis will do a good job with whatever team hires him.
Vanney's problems didn't just surface during the last two games in Montreal. Defensive problems & all the bizarre decisions Vanney made were obvious for most of the season. I would hope that Manning didn't just start looking at options after the Montreal games.
to be fair to Manning, he's a recent hire and still getting his feet wet at TFC FO. probably didn't expect the team to suck so back last few weeks, considering the run TFC was on just prior to
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
That may be true, but we hired him to make tough calls in tough situations like this one. He decided to throw his support behind Vanney, and that may come back to haunt him at a later date. No one in their right mind would have objected to hiring the first proper experienced AND successful coach in the clubs history. Who could criticize that? Most clubs would take the guy, probably even some European ones.
All the interviews are up on TFC's Youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/user/torontofc/videos
Long live the Deathwatch!
I like the targets - we had only one given this season and although we met it, none of us are happy.
If Vanney doesn't get this team improved before the first home game, he's gone.
Hope this means Kantari is taking a 60% pay cut. Zavaleta is ahead of him.
So he has one game next season?
We are such generous fans!
He will get until the summer break (if they do one) if he stays through the off season. By then the problems will be beyond repair of who's next and then it's on to a 2017 rebuild.
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