Agree with you for the most part except I wouldn't judge Kantari yet as he just arrived here, it usually takes a defender longer to adjust but I do agree with you on Perquis, he's been tremendously underperforming for what he was being sold as.Originally Posted by jloome
Based on what I've seen to date, I'll take him at the AM spot over DM any day of the week. Box to box is his best spot but it seems that's not always a dedicated role on this team.
Agree about Perquis underperforming. But a couple of other points about the own goal that bothered me at the game and were confirmed when I saw the highlights:
1) The NE player looks to be offside when he gets the pass that puts him through. Be that as it may, it's not as crucial as
2) There was a line of four(!!) NE players behind our last defender when Perquis put the ball in our net. Even if Perquis had completely missed the ball, there were at least two other NE players totally unmarked directly in front of the net to make a simple tap-in.
Although I've been a supporter of Vanney, this play speaks loudly about training and coaching. I am nowhere near as knowledgeable about strategy and tactics as many other members here, but how can this sort of thing -- FOUR players behind the last defender FFS -- happen to a supposedly professional team without coaching having something to do with it?
It can't be that we have some of the worst defenders in the league?
Ensco is saying what I was trying to say, but clearly.
Think Williams has been great. Am curious to see what happens to Perquis and maybe Kantari in the off season
jloome the stats don't tell the story. They were bunkering and playing the counter. It was a smart gameplan that worked.
Agree re scouting. Same as it ever was.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
This.
The players on the field HAVE to finish their chances. Vanney himself can't suit up and get on the pitch.
On to NYCFC at Yankee Stadium.
I'd guess this came through the "director of scouting operations" who used to work for Scout7. I wouldn't be surprised if we either took them via some third party recommendation, or Vanney has an agent buddy or someone in France he's just using as a shortcut.
It's really frustrating to connect those dots and see not a lot of options in an entire world of football to pursue (within reason, of course).
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But this is not a new problem. This is been going on since the beginning of the season. So if Perquis and Kantari are mistake prone, you need to cover them with a DM.
Again, when we start these discussion I end up sounding more anti-Vanney then I really am, because I do see some positives under him. But this problem did not start yesterday, and it is frustrating that we have not been able to address in any reasonable manner.
I have not made my mind up about Kantari, and despite everything I still think him him and Perquis are as good a paring as we have had, in many aspects. But Perquis is mistake prone, which clearly is a problem.
I also want to say, a good cb wants to minimize his time on the ball in the box, so in light of the pressure that the back line gets on a constant with our club, it is natural that the number of mistakes go up.
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Perquis made a suicide pass early on and then had an OG. He had another bad giveaway early in the 2nd half, was clearly rattled and it was obviously not his night. Should have been subbed off then. Bradley's arrogance by dribbling in the box is what sticks out for me.
I think this thread may be in overdrive at about 10pm tonight
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
If TFC loses, it will be.
If TFC wins *crickets* .
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
^ Come on it is not about living or lossing, it is about how we win or loss, it is about can we address our defensive problems.
Is there really a point in riding him out at this point for any other reason than to avoid doing our traditional TFC thing?
Yes. Firing him now and you give up on the season. With game against the teams under us, we are in with a good shout still.
IF we don't make the playoffs, he and Bez are fired.
Trending worse than Nelsen was when he got sacked. And Montreal don't look they they gave up on the season by dumping Klopas do they?
A tad different timing wise, and that you don't recognize that just about says enough for me and this thread.
I wouldn't fire Vanney at this point (besides, who would replace him?). In terms of what I think will happen, I think his job is safe until the end of the season regardless of how we do.
That being said, this game against NYC reminded me of Nelsen's last game in charge against NE. It was very nearly just as dire. Zero cohesion in midfield, the back line an absolute mess, and no urgency or passion from anyone. And Altidore at RM is a joke from Vanney, a complete joke of a decision.
Despite a few decent chances created you still never got the sense that we were going to score. It was that bleak. I look at this performance today and it's really hard to believe something is not rotten at the core of this team.
This one is on Vanney.
Wasn't that last week?
When your worst performance of the season comes in the middle of a playoff race against one of the worst teams in the league, that's about as damning a statement about your coach that can be made. We're in serious trouble.
I agree with this 100% and if they announced Vanney was sacked tomorrow morning and replaced with anyone not named Fraser then I'd stand and clap.
Last year I hated the Nelsen firing even though I knew we were trending bad. This year our team is better and I think we're trending worse and I see no signs that anything can or will be fixed by Vanney.
I think he's safe mostly because there's really nobody within the club ready to take the job. I suppose Fraser could have been added as the parachute but for some reason I don't get that sense with him. If there was someone available and we dropped out of a playoff spot, the pressure would be too great for Bez to stand pat I think. But there doesn't appear to be anybody, so for better or worse Vanney is the guy until the end of this year.
If you sack Vanney then you get rid of Bez too, you simply let the season play itself out so both can fully own the responsibility of whatever happens in the end.
As much as I hated tanking the end of last season, I would REALLY hate doing that this one.
Agreed.
And I put this more on Bez then Vanney - defence issues not solved and wide attack play not addressed.
We are a better team then last season (and not just Giovinco) but those 2 areas were known last November. The defence was attempted to be addressed and has obviously failed. The wide attack was never addressed.
Jackson can play wide. Vanney chose to not use him there. Also I think wide players weren't addressed because Vanney's various set ups don't use them. Why buy what won't get used?
Hey here's that thread again.
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