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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    That is the indication that MLSE is giving, they want to curtail "vulgarity", which of course decide what it is.

    Keep in mind I would never do this. I do not need the attention and this is just infantile, but this will lead into them saying that I cannot call ladycakes a fucking twat.
    I haven't seen any evidence of a crackdown on behaviour in the normal course of being a fan at the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eustacchio View Post
    Well, there was the "you're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator in your ear" part.
    Except he seems to be saying that in reference to what happened somewhere else. In other words, this could be a lot worse. Again, that's just his opinion and shouldn't be grounds for termination from any company. YMMV, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    I am all for social justice I lose allot of money in billings every year, because I put my ideals ahead of my wallet for social justice. What I hate is forced politeness and the culture of offense. I admired the reporter for confronting them, that took courage, but beyond that it is all fake outrage, and piling on.
    There's a lot of guilt involved, too. A lot of people and companies didn't put their ideals ahead of their wallets (they just said they did) and now they're trying to play catch up. We've gotten by here in Canada with empty words for a long time on many issues and it's catching up to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindbaby View Post
    Except he seems to be saying that in reference to what happened somewhere else. In other words, this could be a lot worse. Again, that's just his opinion and shouldn't be grounds for termination from any company. YMMV, of course.
    I guess it depends on the company - if you're an employee of a government-owned company and making enough to be on the Sunshine List, they're probably going to be a little stricter.

    I'd never seen YMMV before and had to look it up, but yes.
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    I'm really glad these complete douche-bags are getting banned, losing jobs, and whatever else woes they may be facing.

    There is one constant measure of a man, and that is how they treat women. These douchebags are thee farthest thing in the world from being men. Anyone who defends them is an equal douchebag in my book. Be a fucking man. Be respectful to woman. Throw away your tinkle testicles, and become a real man.

    This is not about enjoying off-colour humour, it's not about yelling some vulgarity at an opposing player, it's not about joking with girls around you know are ok with certain humour, this is a professional woman doing her job as a reporter, and sticking your douche face in the camera and yelling extreme sexual obscenities. I would love to see these idiots get booked and I would love for the message to get out to douchebags everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    As for MLSE.

    I do not go to fucking BMO field to be polite, but to be fucking passionate about my club, in that I may get rude and insulting. But so fucking what. I say what I think. And fuck MLSE for trying to curtail it. this is fucking football, not tennis.
    I also never intend to censor myself at games. Anyone sitting in 221 or probably in the sections to either side will be familiar with my regular and loud shouts of "CUNT!" and "STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!" and just plain old "FUCK!". But there's a very obvious line between me voicing my frustrations and taunting the opposing team and being outwardly sexist to a reporter while still on stadium grounds. If you were to abuse a female staffer inside the stadium in the same manner, you couldn't blame it on it being a bit of game day verbal release and you'd likely face a similar punishment from MLSE. There's no reason to think this will affect anything in the stands.

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    The funny thing is these guys were all macho about "fucking her in the pussy" and sticking a vibrator in the reporter's ear yet in the end they're the ones who are getting fucked hard in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    I also never intend to censor myself at games. Anyone sitting in 221 or probably in the sections to either side will be familiar with my regular and loud shouts of "CUNT!" and "STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!" and just plain old "FUCK!". But there's a very obvious line between me voicing my frustrations and taunting the opposing team and being outwardly sexist to a reporter while still on stadium grounds. If you were to abuse a female staffer inside the stadium in the same manner, you couldn't blame it on it being a bit of game day verbal release and you'd likely face a similar punishment from MLSE. There's no reason to think this will affect anything in the stands.
    To play devil's advocate though… is there a line when it comes to harassment at games?

    The Hydro One guy looks to be fired for violating their harassment policy which includes zero tolerance for harassment of any kind. If this is a "workplace" harassment issue, the words you are yelling at the referee… while he is working… could be considered harassment under a "zero tolerance" policy. You might think they are different but if you were caught on video and whatever you said made it an issue for your employer… you might not find much of a difference at all.

    As for the incident, reporter should be commended for standing up for herself. To me, that's where the story should begin and end unless she chooses to press it further… in which case, I… and my daughters… would support her fully.

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    Sunglasses guy employer issued this

    "While the individual was attending the event on his own time and was not at a Cognex activity, the views expressed are totally inconsistent with Cognex’s values, and we find such comments reprehensible. We cannot comment on employee matters publicly, but we take this issue seriously and will be addressing it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    To play devil's advocate though… is there a line when it comes to harassment at games?

    The Hydro One guy looks to be fired for violating their harassment policy which includes zero tolerance for harassment of any kind. If this is a "workplace" harassment issue, the words you are yelling at the referee… while he is working… could be considered harassment under a "zero tolerance" policy. You might think they are different but if you were caught on video and whatever you said made it an issue for your employer… you might not find much of a difference at all.

    As for the incident, reporter should be commended for standing up for herself. To me, that's where the story should begin and end unless she chooses to press it further… in which case, I… and my daughters… would support her fully.
    There will come a time when the ref will be a woman and someone will use a sexist chant towards her & it will not be tolerated...Strange that it does not apply to a Male Ref

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    I also never intend to censor myself at games. Anyone sitting in 221 or probably in the sections to either side will be familiar with my regular and loud shouts of "CUNT!" and "STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!" and just plain old "FUCK!". But there's a very obvious line between me voicing my frustrations and taunting the opposing team and being outwardly sexist to a reporter while still on stadium grounds. If you were to abuse a female staffer inside the stadium in the same manner, you couldn't blame it on it being a bit of game day verbal release and you'd likely face a similar punishment from MLSE. There's no reason to think this will affect anything in the stands.
    I am just getting this from MLSE stating that they want to crack down on impolite behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    I also never intend to censor myself at games. Anyone sitting in 221 or probably in the sections to either side will be familiar with my regular and loud shouts of "CUNT!" and "STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!" and just plain old "FUCK!". ...
    I didn't hear you on Saturday... the guy behind me was making up for it with different phrases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    To play devil's advocate though… is there a line when it comes to harassment at games?

    The Hydro One guy looks to be fired for violating their harassment policy which includes zero tolerance for harassment of any kind. If this is a "workplace" harassment issue, the words you are yelling at the referee… while he is working… could be considered harassment under a "zero tolerance" policy. You might think they are different but if you were caught on video and whatever you said made it an issue for your employer… you might not find much of a difference at all.

    As for the incident, reporter should be commended for standing up for herself. To me, that's where the story should begin and end unless she chooses to press it further… in which case, I… and my daughters… would support her fully.
    I don't really want to get into him being fired, because that's a much more complicated can of worms, but I'll briefly play along. If I'm yelling insults at a ref that amount to him being say blind and incompetent in much more impolite words, that's me loudly and aggressively stating my opinion that can't really deemed as arguable. Now, if I were to throw race, sex, religion etc into the mix of my insults, then that's actual discrimination and harassment as deemed by the law. I doubt any employer would be anything more than embarassed if I was caught on tape calling a ref fucking blind or whatever, but if I add something more to it than that like the things I mentioned above, than that gets into much more obviously hateful territory and is much less tolerable in our society.

    Simple fact is MLSE said you can't be a sexist dick on their grounds. That he got fired by Hydro is something completely different and unrelated to our club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    I didn't hear you on Saturday... the guy behind me was making up for it with different phrases.
    I'm in early season form. Just give me a few games and I'll be back at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    I am just getting this from MLSE stating that they want to crack down on impolite behavior.
    U mean like legally fighting each other with gloves off, oh hold on I'm not on the polite hockey thread am I !!!!!

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    The yellow guy deserves to be fired. He wasn't caught of guard and he had time to think about his actions and he circled around to talk to her. So stupid wow. The sunglass guy IMO should NOT be fired. He didn't say it, admitted he would do it but never actually did. He seemed caught of guard film was actually going. "Are you actually filming this"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMacphisto View Post
    this is a professional woman doing her job as a reporter, and sticking your douche face in the camera and yelling extreme sexual obscenities

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    I don't see any mass crackdowns coming at BMO. This blew up into a massive PR issue for MLSE and the individuals employers and the acted accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werewolf View Post
    I guess i'm not going to get an explanation, just beating around the bush and distraction from another successful witch-hunt by the guardians of the internet. People have to live in fear these days, idiots can't be idiots without the backlash going overboard.
    Well if you want an explanation of my apology:

    As somebody linked, there are people who are using the phrases "witch hunt" and "guardians of the internet" to decry women standing up for themselves cause they do not like being called cunts by people who also threaten them with actual violence, up to and including naming where people live and when they arrive at their place. You used that same language here (those particualr phrases plus "social justice") and I erroneously jumped to the conclusion you knew what you were discussing within that context of gamergate. In particular, the phrase "social justice warrior" has been used by some pretty sick puppies.

    i.e. I saw that you were using the language of some really dangerous loopy stalking shit and linked you to it. You have claimed ignorance of this link and thus I apologised for linking you to it.


    Moving on.
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    The douches aside, I'm seeing a lot of hypocrisy all over the place in my twitter feed, and even on here (although not as much, so that's good to see). Honestly, who here hasn't at ONE time yelled something inappropriate during a game, or maybe even before or after? We just lucked out that it wasn't on camera, and there was no one to object to it (mainly because the guys next to me took part). I think what they did was wrong, and probably should be penalized with a season ban. That makes sense and feels deserving. But the fact that they ALSO lost their jobs just makes me feel for them a bit... And I hate the fact that I have to feel ANY sympathy for them, because when I first saw the clip I was pretty disgusted.

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    Are we bringing vibrators to throw in the air after Oh Canada tomorrow night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    The douches aside, I'm seeing a lot of hypocrisy all over the place in my twitter feed, and even on here (although not as much, so that's good to see). Honestly, who here hasn't at ONE time yelled something inappropriate during a game, or maybe even before or after? We just lucked out that it wasn't on camera, and there was no one to object to it (mainly because the guys next to me took part). I think what they did was wrong, and probably should be penalized with a season ban. That makes sense and feels deserving. But the fact that they ALSO lost their jobs just makes me feel for them a bit... And I hate the fact that I have to feel ANY sympathy for them, because when I first saw the clip I was pretty disgusted.
    Entirely depends what you mean by inappropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post

    i.e. I saw that you were using the language of some really dangerous loopy stalking shit and linked you to it. You have claimed ignorance of this link and thus I apologised for linking you to it.


    Moving on.
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    My issue has nothing to do with that non-sense elsewhere. I just can't stand anonymous internet witch hunts and mob mentality over-reacting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eustacchio View Post
    But this dude was broadcast across the press. I'm sure that fact that he's on the Sunshine List didn't help his case - people get upset about the Sunshine List in general.
    Quote Originally Posted by v00d00daddy View Post
    not sure I understand why people even think about what would happen if this was done in private. What does that have to do with this? These guys did this for attention. They did it to get noticed and they have. They probably didn't expect this reaction. Now they're paying for it. This should be a lesson for all. Think about what you do or say before you do it...if you can.

    What I wonder is if the guy who has been fired was given the opportunity to apologize for his actions prior to firing being considered. Or would they still defend their actions like they did when they were on tv.
    The point is the action - not the amount of press behind it. That's why the debate. Again principally - and not as a matter of public attention - why should someone who did this without media attention be subject to a different standard?

    As others have pointed out within this thread - public opinion is incoherent and twists in the wind without much thought. It doesn't serve as a valid reason to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    As somebody linked, there are people who are using the phrases "witch hunt" and "guardians of the internet" to decry women standing up for themselves cause they do not like being called cunts by people who also threaten them with actual violence, up to and including naming where people live and when they arrive at their place.
    You have been the master of stretching an argument since this thread started. You've taken a moron yelling an unfunny meme all the way to showing up at her place and stalking her while she sleeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    Entirely depends what you mean by inappropriate.
    Something your mother wouldn't appreciate you saying/yelling. Or maybe even your employer on TV. I'm sure you've done that one time in your entire life. Probably not as bad as what those douches did, but we're just talking about degrees here. Lots of inappropriate yelling going on in the south end every game. TONS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    #BREAKING: Hydro One employee fired for hurling vulgarities at CityNews reporter
    Shauna Hunt at TFC game
    Good news...the little dope got what he deserved...Ban the other dopes involved....They won't be missed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Something your mother wouldn't appreciate you saying/yelling. Or maybe even your employer on TV. I'm sure you've done that one time in your entire life. Probably not as bad as what those douches did, but we're just talking about degrees here. Lots of inappropriate yelling going on in the south end every game. TONS!
    Like I've been saying on this thread, that language is a little vague. And like i said, I'm one to regularly act more ignorant and loud inside the stadium than I am outside. My mother and employer probably wouldn't be happy with me calling Giles Barnes a "cunting sack of shit" which I did at every opportunity.

    But my employer can't discipline me for using colorful language that I wouldn't use in the presence of people I need to respect. Now, if I were to insert something about his race into that insult, that's fair game because that's genuine discrimination, not because he plays for the other team but because he is of a race that many TFC fans( and canadians, and people everywhere yada yada) are. The same can be said If I were to direct the word "Cunt" to a woman at the stadium, where that word holds more aggressive and discriminatory connotations.

    When you say that lots of inappropriate yelling goes on at games I very much assume you are talking about my first example of inappropriateness, not the second. The first, while ignorant and unpleasant to some, is fair game at a sporting event and the southend especially because it's generally agreed that it's part of the price of admission, and you're not being offensive to anyone except the opposing team. The latter example of language isn't in any way shape or form appropriate at games (or in life generally) here due to it being undoubtedly more mean, vitriolic and discriminatory. The douches outside the stadium crossed that line on sunday (and it seems like from a few comments that they often did so before sunday too) and they paid the due price. The line is pretty clearly drawn in the sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Something your mother wouldn't appreciate you saying/yelling. Or maybe even your employer on TV. I'm sure you've done that one time in your entire life. Probably not as bad as what those douches did, but we're just talking about degrees here. Lots of inappropriate yelling going on in the south end every game. TONS!
    It's not the same though. How often did you yell something inappropriate, get called out on it directly from the target, and rather than back down or apologize, continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper.

    If those dudes would have owned up when called out and acted with some responsibility, this never would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    It's not the same though. How often did you yell something inappropriate, get called out on it directly from the target, and rather than back down or apologize, continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper.

    If those dudes would have owned up when called out and acted with some responsibility, this never would have happened.
    The most ironic part is that, they are being killed because they actually explained why they thought it was funny. If they just ignored and walked away (like everyone else), this wouldn't of happened.


 

 

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