The one good thing about this is it's a discussion worth having because it brings issues out to the forefront. They need to be talked about and dealt with as a society. I am just not sure where exactly some of these guys actions fit into it. That is something that needs to be figured out.
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Its a worthwhile discussion but not to be had on on this forum.Originally Posted by Red CB Toronto
This is a TFC first and football second discussion forum, as far as I'm concerned this thread should be locked, the punks are getting banned and that should be the end of the discussion.
or moved to off topic, or beer, or running, or books, or music or the thousands of other threads that are open on this forum. But all that aside, if it relates to fan behavior, then it relates to us as fans.
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Tell me about it - already had one Argo focused troll on my case about this on another unrelated website I go to.
Dipshit tornado this.
If you watch it again look for the guy with the shades in the background right when it is said. He was involved from the start and it looks like it was planned not spur of the moment...
I'm very happy that social media didn't have access to 'All Sports Talk' about two years ago. The stuff we said to each other...miss those times.
Who gives a shit? Ignore it.
Stuff gets deleted, right?
So assuming he helped plan it and wasn't just standing there with an 'oh shit he's really gonna do it' look on his face, what is an acceptable punishment for conspiring to commit a public disturbance?
Its like six guys standing around , the discussion comes up about doing this, even if its the case its the guy who actually did it was the culprit, its like if someone said they would do something for $100 and everyone else pitches in, the guy still have to do it and thus is the one responsible for his actions. This is so unfortunate.
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Glorious. Always have had the best gif responses.
Having their sister call and say, "Brother, I saw you in that video. Your Mom wants to have a word with you. Let me get her on the phone...just a second."
Personally, this case may have the unintentional effect of opening up a Pandora's Box with regards to criminal charges. The way I see this issue is this, MLSE operates the stadium, and so, MLSE can refuse anyone entry in theory, they could for instance refuse anyone entry who has a beard. It's just an example, and what I'm getting at is that MLSE does not have to let you into the stadium. Furthermore, if MLSE wants to give all supporters the heave-ho from BMO Field, well they could absolutely do that. Of course it would not be a wise business decision, and they may easily drive Toronto FC into the ground that way, but that is their problem.
What the real issue is with this, has nothing to do with MLSE, it has to do with law enforcement criminally charging someone over this. I think all of us agree that it was a very stupid thing to say. That's not the issue, the issue is that someone over saying a few words could be thrown into the crowbar motel. As was said, some chants could be considered offensive at TFC games, will the police charge people for those chants as well? Consider the great amount of expenditures that goes into the police budget across Ontario and this is what they are concerned with? People should have strong belief in this quote:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
I honestly may not agree with the sometimes offensive remarks made by fans at TFC games, but I just grin and bear it. I would never consider texting the fan number, and of course I would never ever demand that the police charge someone. We have the right to be offended and that's one of the great things of being in a free society. But if people are going to be sent to the slammer for saying stupid things, all of you should give your heads a big shake at what silliness this is.
So not a ban, or charges, or an apology to the reporter?
That's exactly the point I was trying to make. As far as I know there are no laws against a very weak definition of "conspiring" to disturb the peace. Gringo Starr's suggestion was that sunglasses guy was in on it. Well so what if he was? He's still a third party to the situation.
Highly doubt his 6-figure income is still living at home.
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I was being somewhat facetious.
I don't know what the appropriate response to this situation is (in my first post, I only mentioned that others have been charged for this - not necessarily suggesting that that is the correct response).
The only thing I know is that if there's a professional-grade news camera pointed at me, I'm going to assume it's on and be careful with my choice of words.
Toronto 'til I die - but I think they're trying to kill me.
Always best to let gif's do the talking.
That's rich considering the first time I've ever heard of FHRITP was on Deadspin, which is owned by Gawker media.
As far as this whole story goes, it's a poorly used prank that has worn out it's 15 minutes of fame. Banning them for life is over the top in my opinion. What is also interesting is the precedence this sets when it comes to people using vulgar language at sporting events. How long before they start banning anyone who has something truthful, yet harmful to their precious brand to say? Not a road I want to go down.
Are we not allowed to post the names of who these offenders are?
Is that the same [mod edit]guy[mod edit] who played midfield for Wilfrid Laurier? He had a tryout with TFC back when they had open tryouts before year one.
Who's laughing now, Wilshere Worshipper?
I hope all the participants are clearly named and shamed and shuffled to the margins of society. Had my wife and daughter at the game and that sort of douchbaggery needs to be smacked down hard.
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No our justice system is not and should not be based on debates between differing opinions without any consideration of the relevant statutes and jurisprudence.
If someone wants to make a real and relevant argument on the issue, then I suggest that the person read and rely on the relevant statutes and any such jurisprudence that supports their position. Otherwise it is just baseless opinion.
Anyone for a supporters gate discussion?
These guys are tools, douchey, and not funny.
That being said, you social justice warriors are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and weirdos.
Let's start with CityTV. When City had an actually harassment and bigotry problem inside their own studios when a Gord Martineau video leaked:
(a) Calling Roch Voisin a "homo" and doing a lisp and limp wrist routine
(b) Calling a story on a pancreas transplant unimportant, then while next to his co-host Anne Mroczowski, pointed to his crotch calling that important
(c) Rolled up his papers and waved it around pretending to be his dong while next to his female co-host
(d) Brought up the topic of confessions, asked to hear Anne Mroczowski's confessions like a fucking creep and asked her if she "had bad things to say, bad thoughts and deeds"
What did they do? NOTHING. They put it in a montage for their Christmas Party. Then when it was leaked, they defended him.
Not only that, but they threatened those who hosted the videos with their legal team according to the individual who made them public on his blog.
CityTV reporter, Avery Haines, the same Avery Haines who was fired from CTV after making some dumb joke on air about Affirmative Action. The same Avery Haines who cried about it just being a joke. The same Avery Haines who insinuated about everyone being out for blood, how the media went out and started asking for comments from Black, Asian, Handicap groups in an effort to ruin her life... is putting out some fucking weird media bounty looking for this guys family:
Who gives a shit? We're going to bully and fuck with this guys family now too?
These guys are dummies, but the people who wont sleep until these guys are fired from their jobs and commit suicide are something else.
When this becomes the big story after Tim Leiweke and Larry Tanenbaum worked so hard all week to get the stadium story out there, it might only be the beginning for them.
You don't crap in front of men like that and get away lightly. The consequences will have legs that won't stop kicking.
Pretty sure doxxing is against forum rules.
Keeping in mind that neither of the guys being "interviewed" and publicly shamed were the ones that yelled out the obscenity, do you still hold this view?
^ Fuck.
I am going to become very anti Jurno (is this the proper Green Street Hooligans term?).
I agree, as I said nothing about ignoring consideration of relevant statues and jurisprudence.
You must meet the criteria to be charged and then punished.
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