I have been saying that 4-4-2 is the ideal formation since Week 3 and can't believe it took Vanney this long to figure it out.Originally Posted by Milanista
I have been saying that 4-4-2 is the ideal formation since Week 3 and can't believe it took Vanney this long to figure it out.
All in all that's not a bad thing. He was being used defensively to drop back and cover that wing and that wing was fairly neutralized. At least, in that, he might have some use on this team. Not even going to get into what we are paying for a defensive 'specialist' but basically he is another, but not as good, Jackson.
I watched a few sequences last night where he jogged behind the play, both attacking and defending. I don't get it either
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Yeah I did see him assisting Morgan out wide a few times so I shouldn't ignore that contribution. God knows Oduro wouldn't have been there.
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new here. huge 3 pts. this may be the turning point we need.go reds
You got a very interesting response (well to me anywayPer Doyle, TFC's network passing map
Of note
Bendik direct to Jozy without fail (that had to be a direction from Vanney)
Jackson never passed to the forwards?
Hagglund didn't handle the ball that much and when he did, everything went right.) in the comments section. Not so much the comment itself but who made the comment.
You talking about Jackson's jersey last night???
Poor guy was only non-sponsored player on the pitch...
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and he's miserable ...............if he's given less of a role I'll have moe faith in Vanney's judgement
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Browsing WhoScored stats, some interesting notes:
Giovinco is leading the league in shots per game at 4.7 and from what I can tell is also first in shots + key passes per game at 6.5 (2nd looks to be Morales at 5.9). 2nd in the league in fouls drawn per game at 3.3 (Amerikwa #1 at 3.8) and one of two forwards (Kamara) in the current team of the year.
Osorio is leading the team in passing success percentage at 89.2%.
Perquis is 4th in the league in interceptions per game at 4.5.
And funnily enough, Cheyrou leads the team in dribbles per game, which sounds about right.
Last edited by notthesun; 04-28-2015 at 09:07 AM.
If something doesn't work: Vanney's a shit coach.
If something does work: Vanney's a shit coach for not doing it sooner.
Personally, I think it's a breath of fresh air to have a coach that actually does make changes to their game plan from game to game. Before this game, I thought that it would be a good idea to play Jackson to track Shea. Vanney did that, and it worked.
Also, people might call the style we played last night Nelsenball, but Nelsen never recognized the importance of a footballing second striker like we now have in Giovinco. And with Cheyrou added to partner Bradley, this team can actually transition from defense to attack effectively. Giovinco and Cheyrou are two players that let us play a 4-4-2 in a way that isn't painful to watch. Giovinco makes the attack work, and Cheyrou allows Bradley to do his thing, while also being good on the ball.
Last edited by Ajax TFC; 04-27-2015 at 11:31 PM.
^ Good on Vanney for finally using this formation. But dude, many of us were saying this was the way to go, from the get go, and that it took the coach 6 games is a bit troubling.
I would call this more of a 4-4-1-1 because Gio played behind, which again is very natural, as he is not physical and needs space. This is the first formation I would have expected an experienced coach to try with the players we have.
I'd argue that Gil/Moore were the guys dropping behind Defoe when we were at full strength last year mostly because Defoe was just a poacher and needed service, perfect example would be Gil to Defoe in the first leg of ACC last year versus Vancouver, also Nelsen played Oso behind Gil in Dallas last year (Oso played a long ball to Gil and Gil got into the box only to be pushed from behind with no foul called)
nelsen also played 4-4-1-1 a lot in his first year to little productivity
I am not that excited about having beaten an expansion team. We didn't look that great and the turf kinda wrecked the game (caveat: I only saw the second half).
Expensive guys making individual plays to win won't work against decent teams.
I'll be a lot more impressed if we build on that and play well Saturday.
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On the one hand, yes, you want your coach to have the flexibility of tactics to utilize his players to the best of their abilities, but on the other hand, I think five matches are alright as a sample before trying something different. If he goes away from his system and it fails, then do we still rip him? He gave the system and the players a five-match run, on the road in some tough places to play. Salt Lake seems to be a tough matchup, despite them not being off to their best start. Dallas is very good and Columbus is solid this year. Hell, even Chicago is now on a bit of a tear and Vancouver is top of the West.
Coming away from this road trip, we will have played some tough road matches. Of the seven, I would hope we'd best Orlando and Philly and get some sort of result out of Chicago. The other four matches were all going to be bonus points. So, we lost to Chicago, but beat Vancouver. Now, if we can get a result in Philly, then look at the 7-game run as a whole, I think it's not a bad start. Not great, but not bad. And we'll have put away a large chunk of our road schedule, too.
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What type of Nelsenball are we talking about? Is it Pre-World Cup (sit deep, concede possession, counter well) or Post-World Cup (possession based, low line, less transition).
I will say that there were some good runs of passing and possession that we have rarely seen from TFC in any of its incarnations.
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Agreed. Our defence gave them chances (the 2 acrobatic saves from Bednik at the beginning of the first half and the sitter they missed near the end of the game). We were just lucky they sucked harder and couldn't put those chances away.
This game shown that Cheryou has been a early MVP this season. The giyt is a beast.
I noticed that as well. Any reason why his shirt was the only one without a sponsor?You talking about Jackson's jersey last night???
Poor guy was only non-sponsored player on the pitch...
For me is not so much the record this year, but his overall failure to address our defensive weakness through out his tenure. Now I do not have ( or did not have) very strong anti-Vanney opinions, other then from the last game in Texas, were I thought it was just horrible. I do not hate him as a coach, he has just not impressed me, and I think we could easily do better.
I don't mind Vanney giving his formation a fair trial before changing it up. I also give him some credit for recognizing that it wasn't working and actually changing it up. It's mighty preferable to a coach who hammers a square peg into a round hole, and keeps on hammering until it breaks. Should he have made the change earlier? Maybe. But he also clearly wanted to play a 4-3-3 system since last season, and they brought in personnel that they thought would allow them to play that system. I wouldn't expect him to give up on that too quickly, and I think it's good to see that he's willing to try other formations to get the best out of the players.
Nelsen may have played one striker behind the other a lot, but that doesn't mean he played with a real second striker. We never had a real one on the roster under him. The closest thing we had to one was Silva, who was promptly traded to DC for Garber bucks. Our two DP strikers both wanted to occupy the same space and were a failed pairing.
Citrus Bowl is a decent place to see a match. I'd guess 98% of the home fans wore purple.
For the complains Vancouver and NYCFC fans had about unruly Orlando folks, didn't happen at all. Everyone around us were pleasant, spoke with us and were a good time. We got up and roared for both TFC goals, scarves held high, nobody said a word (that I heard at least).
Wish my phone didn't die while driving up from Miami, would have loved to capture some video. Ah well.
Hope they can keep up the intensity. Going to be a long season for them.
Where is the supplemental discipline for the guy who threw the elbow at Perquis' head seconds before the second goal?
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Agreed totally Trane, spot on.
Jack, Vanney was using the same overall strategy for 16 games, two different line ups, and gave up early goals in 12. It isn't five games his record is being judged on.
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