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    Default Are we getting value for Bradley and Altidore?

    Bradley worth a $30 million contract and altidore getting the same salary as Defoe? What kind of fuckery is this?

    Altidore is an MLS level player who got lucky one year in Europe and seems to do well for the USMNT...that's it.
    Bradley is the son of someone important but doesn't do anything at all to warrant his salary. He controls the dressing room and managers but leaves every other week to play for the US and come back tired for Toronto.
    We all lost our shit when he came because of his age but Gerrard would be far more useful than him.
    Just think of the DPs in this league and it's mind boggling how these two command the salary that they do. Gilberto was a steal at 1.2 compared to Altidore.

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    Seriously. Gilberto was the way better option than altitore for a quarter of the price. Why the hell are we letting one player make management decisions. Let alone one who is gone every second week when he should be leadingg and captaining his side through this shitshow start to the season.

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    As much as I think Altidore will eventually deliver, I also believe he'll naver deliver enough to justify the price. We should have kept Gilberto and brought in some of his friends (Piccolomo?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealG-TFC View Post
    As much as I think Altidore will eventually deliver, I also believe he'll naver deliver enough to justify the price. We should have kept Gilberto and brought in some of his friends (Piccolomo?).
    I'm in indifferent on Altidore, we got rid of one problem for another, a true player swap in every sense, but Altidore has upside unlike the aging Defoe.

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    Bradley was a midfielder from Roma entering his prime willing to come to the MLS. Hindsight is 20-20, but dishing out for a player that was a good Serie A player that is not over the hill made sense at the time.

    Still, they should have backed that dump truck full of money up to Arena or Schmidt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    Bradley was a midfielder from Roma entering his prime willing to come to the MLS. Hindsight is 20-20, but dishing out for a player that was a good Serie A player that is not over the hill made sense at the time.

    Still, they should have backed that dump truck full of money up to Arena or Schmidt....
    replace bradley with de guzman and roma with deportivo and serie a for la liga and we've lived that situation twice.

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    De Guzman wasn't a leader and didn't want to be here and had no idea about the league.

    Bradley is WAY better then him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    De Guzman wasn't a leader and didn't want to be here and had no idea about the league.

    Bradley is WAY better then him.
    Soo how has knowledge of the league, being a leader and wanting to be here worked for Bradley so far? I agree he's 'better' than DeGuzman but thus far he hasn't shown that he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I'm in indifferent on Altidore, we got rid of one problem for another, a true player swap in every sense, but Altidore has upside unlike the aging Defoe.
    I suppose that is true, it's just so dificult thinking in the longterm when the short-term looks like 0-3 in a half hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwade View Post
    Soo how has knowledge of the league, being a leader and wanting to be here worked for Bradley so far? I agree he's 'better' than DeGuzman but thus far he hasn't shown that he is.
    If you believe that then there's no discussing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king10 View Post
    replace bradley with de guzman and roma with deportivo and serie a for la liga and we've lived that situation twice.
    De Guzman was a crocked player that only signed here because nobody else wanted him. Bradley had other options, including teams in the Serie A & EPL that wanted him. Very different situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    De Guzman wasn't a leader and didn't want to be here and had no idea about the league.

    Bradley is WAY better then him.

    Bradley isnt much of a leader when hes playing for his NT every second weekend in unofficial friendlies. If by leader you mean taking the captains armband away from the current captain and pushing management to bring in his buddy altidore then i guess ya a leader.

    Also when de guzman came from deportivo he was only a year removed from being deportivos player of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    De Guzman was a crocked player that only signed here because nobody else wanted him. Bradley had other options, including teams in the Serie A & EPL that wanted him. Very different situations.
    how did nobody else want de guzman. He was 2007 2008 deportivo player of the year. You dont sign a DP deal because nobody else wanted you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king10 View Post
    how did nobody else want de guzman. He was 2007 2008 deportivo player of the year. You dont sign a DP deal because nobody else wanted you.
    No clue, but that is why he signed. He was looking for other options (at lower salaries), but no one wanted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    If you believe that then there's no discussing this.
    Believe that he hasn't shown his worth yet? Or believe that he's better than DeGuzman? Weird. You like spitting words out but you added nothing. If you think he's shown that he's a $6 million player by 'knowledge of the league and wanting to be here' then explain it.
    He shoots over the crossbar into the parking lot consistently, runs all over the pitch confusing teammates and ruining shape, doesn't break up opposing attacks and hardly makes key attacking passes.
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    De guzman was paid under $2 million. Bradley altidore over $5 million each. If de guzman was overpaid the other two are grossly overpaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    No clue, but that is why he signed. He was looking for other options (at lower salaries), but no one wanted him.
    You could say the same situation applied for Bradley.

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    An unsuprisingly myopic post.

    Gilberto had no goals by this point in the season. In case one year ago is too far a memory for you shwade.
    Last edited by Red4ever; 04-19-2015 at 01:10 AM.

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    All the Gilberto bashing that went on on this site because he was not scoring ? He was a great play maker and we 100% should have kept him. Same with Laba!! They talk about teams gelling but if u swop out the team every 6 months the glue will never dry IMO

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    We have played 5 games and have 8 goals. The only team with more goals per game is NYRB. The issue for this team is not the attacking third, and it's not the DP's.

    *******

    The issue isn't in wasting the money on the DP's.

    Its in not getting good value for money in the defence.


    Indications are building that changes will be coming in that regard. I am hoping for Caldwell to be let go and for that cash to be spent on a couple of CD's. Bloom as a RB is pretty good for MLS. We'll see. But this defence is not good enough - and that's the issue.

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    You waste $60M by assembling a good squad and have them guided by a manager who sabotages any and all efforts made through the quality of the players.

    That is what I define waste as. Not on overpaying players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    You waste $60M by assembling a good squad and have them guided by a manager who sabotages any and all efforts made through the quality of the players.

    That is what I define waste as. Not on overpaying players.
    Amen to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    You waste $60M by assembling a good squad and have them guided by a manager who sabotages any and all efforts made through the quality of the players.

    That is what I define waste as. Not on overpaying players.
    Yes, it makes no sense to have a rookie coach trying to guide this team but $60 million could definitely have been better spent considering the other DPs in this league. Perhaps it's a Toronto thing...we have to overpay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Califax View Post
    An unsuprisingly myopic post.

    Gilberto had no goals by this point in the season. In case one year ago is too far a memory for you shwade.
    Compare the salaries Einstein.
    Everyone was saying Altidore has MLS experience...well he's done shit all so far. Once Gilberto had MLS experience he was doing very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    We have played 5 games and have 8 goals. The only team with more goals per game is NYRB. The issue for this team is not the attacking third, and it's not the DP's.

    *******

    The issue isn't in wasting the money on the DP's.

    Its in not getting good value for money in the defence.
    Just what I was thinking.

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    Is the same ole same ole every season. Why not employ the Academy to play for minimum wages and use the money to bring in top HT entertainment like AcDc or some other well known pop rock blues bands to play HT and any extra can be used to give away free beer and hot dogs until it runs out. The place will fill up and stay filled. :@)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwade View Post
    Compare the salaries Einstein.
    Everyone was saying Altidore has MLS experience...well he's done shit all so far. Once Gilberto had MLS experience he was doing very well.
    Let it go man, he's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Califax View Post
    Let it go man, he's gone.

    Not technically. Hes on loan. We still own him. And frankly he should never have been let go. Already has 5 goals in 7 games for vasco this year.

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    For fuck sakes there is always someone who wants to pin it on one player or the other, Bradely is a world class CM, he was playing for Roma ( a champions league club) and could easily have moved to any top league in europe. That is why he is here, is our best mid, he is the best CM in the league. Altidore has scored and will score he is the type of CF that we need.

    Our problems are tactical/systemic and the back line.


    How do you waste 60 million by getting world class players on your team and giving them a CSL coach.

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    ^^^^^ bradley has not demonstrated his roma form since coming to mls(which wasnt even top 5 serie A class, nvm world class). To say hes world class and the best midfielder in the league is simply not true. Even ask usmnt fans. He had a poor performance at the world cup and since then his NT form has dropped considerably.

    also bradley never once played a europa league game while at roma let alone a champions league game. The team was never in europe while he was there and wasnt even a top 5 serie a club. Once he was sold they replaced him with better players like iturbe, naingolan, strooetman and have since been a top 3 and champions league club.
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