According to the Terratile site, yes.Originally Posted by ManUtd4ever
Simple CFL turf isn't like the football one. No pellets usually. Just a green carpet usually. Said a team could install it in 8 hours and remove in 8 hours. TFC plays Saturday, install this post match, Argos play Sunday afternoon, remove either Sunday night or Monday morning.
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Sorry Cash - you are wrong here - MLSE were never involved in the York University project. It was a York/Argos/CSA plan.
And MLSE were the ones who pulled out of the Varsity stadium plan first before the University pulled the plug on that project.
The city was never going to approve that .....too many Annex people getting all huffy about parking.
Was there another U of T plan? The one I heard was bogged down by the residents groups and alumni that wanted a track. If you want to say MLSE "walked away" that technically correct after seeing no end of red tape and people that didn't want to see it happen.
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possibly - but that's something differentThe city was never going to approve that .....too many Annex people getting all huffy about parking.
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There is already enough friction within the Boggers partnership to last a life time.
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I'd like to see a push for an investigation into this dual surface option. If it is technically feasible, it should be done, regardless of cost.
MLSE's interest in the U of T project, had more to do with an interest in developing the pricey Bloor Street real estate that was going to be a part of it. The project really went south when U of T president Robert Birgeneau departed for the chancellors position at Berkley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Birgeneau The schools position and interest on the project really changed with his successor with them eventually pull out to build a more student friendly facility.
The Argos and CSA initially were discussing a return to the Ex grounds for new stadium in the beginning before turning their focus to U of T.
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It looks like there was - http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Football/...04/700446.html
2 months later - the Argos/CSA/U of T announced their plans for the siteSokolowski agreed, but the stadium project shifted back to U of T when Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. suddenly jumped into the mix in December of 2003 with intentions to partner with the school on a multiple sports complex/shopping centre in the Bloor/Devonshire corridor. The Argos had no choice but to watch those developments because they potentially would be included at some point, possibly with MLSEL buying a percentage of the team.
Some three months later, MLSEL withdrew from the project because of the low return on investment and the Argos, along with the CSA, joined together in resurrecting the project at the U of T.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/ne...occer-1.511637
Migs is a known anti-Toronto troll from Vagi...err, I mean Regina or some other troll-farming backwater like that...
Me too. Seems a worthy investment especially since it'd be needed anyway for outdoor ice hockey or concerts. Then it's just buying the turf.
Wembley pitch 'completely ruined' by NFL games ahead of England's Euro 2016 qualifier against Slovenia
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ed-nfl-4631347
that's not really new information
Can you make that Mirror headline any bigger?
I want to make sure all the old dudes who watch the Argos can read it.
Having attended that game last November, the pitch at Wembley looked like shit during the match. Logos, lines etc all for the world to see.Wembley pitch 'completely ruined' by NFL games ahead of England's Euro 2016 qualifier against Slovenia
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ed-nfl-4631347
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sure Wembley pitch 'completely ruined' by NFL games ahead of England's Euro 2016 qualifier against Slovenia http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ed-nfl-4631347
The great irony in all of this is the best and cheapest solution would have been to buy the Argos and fold them.
Aside from tradition, I don't think anyone would have noticed. CFL football in the east just isn't that popular. Ottawa has folded twice, Montreal twice, Hamilton played half of last season at McMaster and I don't think they even sold that out.
Year one the Argos may be a tough ticket. But by year two and 3 they'll be back to playing in front of friends and family, aside from the Rider game where the crowd will be green.
The only questions now are how committed are MLSE to keeping grass at bmo and logos off the field?
How much argos logos and signage will be installed at BMO,
And how long before argo fans take over Joe's.
Let's go NFL!!!
That article is euro-snobbish sensationalist garbage.
What is it about the internet that lets people think they can just post outright lies?
They sold out all 3 of their games at McMaster and all 7 of their games at THF last season
Looks like Rollins is at BMO for the presser. He just posted this.
No way they would do that. The anger and outrage across Canada would be overwhelming. And it would probably cost Bell a bundle as people would drop their many services in protest. In 1979, NHL teams rejected a deal to merge four of the six WHA teams into the league - Edmonton, Winnipeg, Hartford, and Quebec. - by one vote. The Montreal Canadians, who were owned by Molson's, were one of the teams that voted against bringing them in because they didn't want to share the province of Quebec with the Nordiques, who were owned back then by rival brewers Carling O'Keefe. After news broke out, Canadians across the country stopped buying Molson's beer in protest until the owners changed their minds and let the teams into the league.
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Looks like Rollins is at BMO for the presser. He just posted this.
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They drag that thing around everywhere they go. Its 20+ years old.
In a lot of ways, it really doesn't matter if TFC is playing in front of empty seats from a business perspective.
The real value in operating a team in MLS is the share of SUM revenue. Not the ticket revenue that gets shared with the league. TFC have very little operating expenses, outside of their DPs. Player salaries are all paid by the league with the exception of the DPs. If attendance dropped, they could simply drop the DPs and find themselves in a profitable position.
In the end, I'd wager that the revenues that are shared through the SUM partnership would outweigh any losses at the gate.
MLSE has done the risk analysis on this. The sad truth is that they calculated that this backlash didn't outweigh the revenue boost by going to a multiuse facility.
If they wanted to keep TFC in its own soccer specific stadium, they have the funds to do that. They have weighed the options and are going this way.
The reality is that the Argos aren't the enemy. It's that your interests as a supporter (nice stadium, team is a priority, success on the pitch) don't necessarily align with their interests to generate profit on invested dollars. We have a multi-use stadium and Argos ownership (by 2/3 of MLSE) because that's what makes economic sense to them.
Sad day but can we really say it is surprising?
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Not initially they weren't. But as far back as 2003 MLSE had notified the CSA about their intentions to buy an MLS franchise. The FIFA U-20 tourney in 2007 was all tied in with the eventual creation of TFC. Rudi over at U-Sector has most of the details on it, but simply put, if the York U stadium deal had gone through, that's where we'd be watching TFC play now. The U of T plan was one of a few back-up projects after that. BMO Field at it's present location just happened to have been the better choice out of many possible options.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
The difficulty may not be with the hybrid grass - Desso says lots of people do the coverings for events, etc. The question is whether the FieldTurf or equivalent can be used without permanent installation. I know that at the New Meadowlands (or whatever the hell it is called now), the end zone FT is swapped out when they have to change btw Jets and Giants colors, but have no idea on the technical details for doing that for the entire surface.
It's probably the same for the Argos, they could give the tickets away for free like they do for every other live TV show. We keep talking about this like it's 8 home games for the Argos but it's really about every CFL game on TSN.
Thing is that the Argos don't have the money or support to build or operate in a football specific stadium and since a lot people feel the need to keep the dead horse alive for the greater good then this is the only viable option.
come'on we can hardly get 60k on TV. Let try to grow that first.
BMO is the stadium ... ML$E decided to rebuild BMO instead of spending a similar amount on greenfield stadium at the Vaughn soccer centre or Downsview.
Market for soccer in this town is 5k diehard/supporter groups, 5k soccer moms/dads/kids, 10k casual event fans (Most of which get tickets through friends/employers that buy SSH to multiple MLSE teams for client entertainment purposes). I sit in 107. Its a different set of fans every game, most get tickets given to them to try it out. That why we usually only get 8-10k for wednesday games (last game being an exception due to "newness" of the stadium). Still don't get why they added 8000 seats, can't even fill them for game #1.
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