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    To be fair, in the Hamilton situation that mess lies at the feet of the Pan Am organizers and the Vancouver one at their Provincial level. I don't know about the other two but you might JUST want to look into that narrative you got going for a bit of grey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelfastBoy View Post
    There was maybe 10k yesterday. The team couldn't be worse on the field. Overall, this year has been a failure of epic proportions. I heard people singing seven nation army during drinking games at the tailgate.
    And it doesn't get better. The first three sentences apply to my experience and the team in yesterdays match. Loads of happy green people around, though, and I did see a field go...ugh, can't even finish that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post
    Oh, do go on.

    We simply love to hear about the CFL and concrete plans.

    When it comes to concrete:

    They've built or refurbished four stadiums lately for the CFL - Ottawa, Hamilton, Winnipeg and Vancouver - and each and every one is in the midst of legal wrangles over unpaid bills to designers, contractors, sub-contractors and materials suppliers.

    Gosh. What could go wrong with a national championship involving the league's longest-running financial fiasco franchise and the national championship it's hosting this year?
    That has nothing to do with the CFL, they don't own the stadiums.

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    The CFL teams do not own the stadia they play in, but they have had an immense amount of input and involvement into the building of them. A stadium isn't just some random bunch of park benches surrounding a synthetic green space.

    In each case, common threads have formed that suggest either there's an epidemic of unqualified trades people and designers being hired by complete bozo general contractors working across Canada exclusively on CFL stadia or that a widespread, and rather unsavoury, strategy has been formed between Canadian municipalities and CFL clubs to get these stadia built and then squeeze the dickens out of the little people who help build it in order to reduce costs.

    Loving a good conspiracy theory, the latter seems most probable. There is a possibility that both theories are jointly valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post
    The CFL teams do not own the stadia they play in, but they have had an immense amount of input and involvement into the building of them. A stadium isn't just some random bunch of park benches surrounding a synthetic green space.

    In each case, common threads have formed that suggest either there's an epidemic of unqualified trades people and designers being hired by complete bozo general contractors working across Canada exclusively on CFL stadia or that a widespread, and rather unsavoury, strategy has been formed between Canadian municipalities and CFL clubs to get these stadia built and then squeeze the dickens out of the little people who help build it in order to reduce costs.

    Loving a good conspiracy theory, the latter seems most probable. There is a possibility that both theories are jointly valid.
    Go home, relax and don't over think it. CFL teams have nothing to do with this. Winnipeg's stadium actually got built because of the University of Manitoba's involvement.

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    Sois serieux, mon chum,

    Canadian college football mostly draws family, friends and drunken slackers skipping study time. What a business model to build a grand stadium for. You'd think herds of bison were running wild in the place the way the Winnipeg's new joint is crumbling. Over $35 million in repairs needed.

    Most CFL clubs operate on such thin financial margins that they just don't have the resources to attract the quality of management needed to steer such projects properly. If this sort of mismanagement is endemic to the building of sports venues, how come we don't see these problems happening on a similar basis with Canadian NHL teams, for whom many new barns have been built recently?

    Oh, the fun we'd be having if the Argos had tried to cobble together their own stadium deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post
    Sois serieux, mon chum,

    Canadian college football mostly draws family, friends and drunken slackers skipping study time. What a business model to build a grand stadium for. You'd think herds of bison were running wild in the place the way the Winnipeg's new joint is crumbling. Over $35 million in repairs needed.

    Most CFL clubs operate on such thin financial margins that they just don't have the resources to attract the quality of management needed to steer such projects properly. If this sort of mismanagement is endemic to the building of sports venues, how come we don't see these problems happening on a similar basis with Canadian NHL teams, for whom many new barns have been built recently?

    Oh, the fun we'd be having if the Argos had tried to cobble together their own stadium deal.
    Which ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtLarSUN View Post
    Interesting development. Ticketmaster now showing the Grey Cup approaching a sellout. Earlier this week the stadium was roughly half sold.
    Someone playing with the "ticket availability", or has there actually been an aggressive run on tickets?
    Quote Originally Posted by mistercorporate View Post
    Ticketmaster is not an accurate way to predict sellouts, as tickets are often artificially held back to project scarcity. This happens with all teams that use it. The only time it's accurate is when it shows massive amounts of available tickets (when teams get desperate for sales).


    That being said, Grey Cup ticket sales are apparently atrocious, half the stadium empty, they're blocking off sections to give away to sponsors and to create false scarcity. If they drop prices closer to game day or they give away tickets, a lot of people who paid $600+ are going to get pissed off...

    Have a very hard time this close to the date of the game believing they would play a game of smoke and mirrors to this extent with scarcity when they really need to sell tickets. Now would every seat that now appears as sold over the last few days be an actually sale, maybe not. There could have been some team allotments etc. Also I do agree there may be a deal or two for a significant amount of tickets with a corporate partner or two who will then distribute them at a later date through a promotion of sorts. I just do not believe they are outright holding stuff back to create a sense of scarcity at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red CB Toronto View Post
    Have a very hard time this close to the date of the game believing they would play a game of smoke and mirrors to this extent with scarcity when they really need to sell tickets. Now would every seat that now appears as sold over the last few days be an actually sale, maybe not. There could have been some team allotments etc. Also I do agree there may be a deal or two for a significant amount of tickets with a corporate partner or two who will then distribute them at a later date through a promotion of sorts. I just do not believe they are outright holding stuff back to create a sense of scarcity at this point.
    Go home, relax and don't over think it. CFL teams have nothing to do with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red CB Toronto View Post
    Have a very hard time this close to the date of the game believing they would play a game of smoke and mirrors to this extent with scarcity when they really need to sell tickets. Now would every seat that now appears as sold over the last few days be an actually sale, maybe not. There could have been some team allotments etc. Also I do agree there may be a deal or two for a significant amount of tickets with a corporate partner or two who will then distribute them at a later date through a promotion of sorts. I just do not believe they are outright holding stuff back to create a sense of scarcity at this point.
    Come on man, one day after a negative media article about poor and slow Grey Cup ticket sales has 10,000 tickets go off the market. You really think they were sold?? A coincidence that the top deck goes from thousands unsold to completely blocked off literally overnight when they were averaging just a few dozen sold per day for the months preceeding? *smh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red CB Toronto View Post
    Have a very hard time this close to the date of the game believing they would play a game of smoke and mirrors to this extent with scarcity when they really need to sell tickets. Now would every seat that now appears as sold over the last few days be an actually sale, maybe not. There could have been some team allotments etc. Also I do agree there may be a deal or two for a significant amount of tickets with a corporate partner or two who will then distribute them at a later date through a promotion of sorts. I just do not believe they are outright holding stuff back to create a sense of scarcity at this point.
    All of the team allotments and corporate sponsor holds would have been held right from the beginning - things like dedicated seats would actually be in the corporate/sponsorship contracts.

    If they just took a bunch of seats off sale to "distribute them at a later date through a promotion of sorts" - well, that means that the tickets are not selling.
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    OK, we've been discussing this on the moderator team, and we've decided that this popularity contest between Argos fans and TFC fans is done on this board.

    Any discussion of pitch issues will be in our new BMO field pitch thread. That is limited to pitch issues only: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showth...58#post1815358

    Any discussion of the Argos can be done in the "All Sports" section of this board by fans of that sport. No trolling allowed. The Argos thread is here: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?15103-Toronto-Argonauts-Football-Club

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