That's a damn good question!Originally Posted by spe18
Considering their fan base consists of senior citizens, I don't think they will ever be happy with the temperature.
That's a damn good question!
Considering their fan base consists of senior citizens, I don't think they will ever be happy with the temperature.
Perfect weather conditions would be indoors.
FYI, I got this email yesterday. This is how Argos are trying to get more youth fans:
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Are you interested in getting a great deal to attend a Toronto Argonauts football game on October 15th, 2016? This year RSCE has reserved 30 spots to attend the Toronto Argonauts football game, all for a top of the line deal! The price of admission is $20.00 for students and this includes a free t-shirt, admission into the game and best of yet free admission to the tailgate party prior to the game! This will include free food and cola beverages! This deal is ONLY for University student groups so be sure to sign up for this one time offer to experience a great game and get to know your fellow colleagues and RSCE members! You can sign up at the following link.
EVENT DETAILS:
Date: Saturday, October 15th, 2016
Game Time: 4pm (Tailgate party will be before)
Price of Admission: $20.00
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I' sure other departments got some tickets too. This is for Ryerson university. Timing is terrible though as the midterms starts around October 10th until November 1st plus most people in universities dont care about sports or has time for it. To be honest, never seen any one with CFL jersey or t-shirt. Some soccer jersey or hockey and blues jays (1 out of 10 people).
The only other sports I saw available for discount is Raptors which is like $120 or so. lol
Not a bad idea for them. Students never turn down free food (though the tickets cost to get them).
TFC should be doing this too.
Attendance at last few games has gone back down to 2015 levels
And you can wash the dishes and take out the garbage bags after these events.
Then offer solace and hugs to pissed off Astronauts fans - like my neighbour - who got fished into paying good money for tickets when they could have waited and enjoyed a completely free season. Now? They're angry that there are so many freebies floating around. Definitely not a good way to build loyal, long term fan bases.
The rest of us are enjoying TFC's current situation just fine.
Unfortunately last couple of TFC games we have had lower attendances then games in the summer. I think our Sunday game vs NY Red Bull (big match, and 2 top teams in the East) we had only 24k fans, and our Wednesday game vs Orlando we had only 20k fans. And our game tonight (I can not attend) I haven't been able to sell my tickets all week, up until September any games I couldn't attend were picked up in just a few hours. We are coming to the end of our best season ever and all of a sudden our attendance drops as soon as the weather gets a little cooler and wetter? Us TFC fans can be quite fickle ourselves.
Last edited by james; 10-01-2016 at 03:25 PM.
"Then you look at the terrifying championship game ticket sales, and more blue dots on the ticket manifest than a Viagra convention. "
http://3downnation.com/2016/10/04/ma...ing-field-off/
The comments below that article make our after we lose game threads sound serene. Some CFL fans see Sportsnet and just go bonkers.
He's right about this one though.Should Edmonton meet Calgary or B.C. on a cold November night along the lake, how would you sell that game to a city that barely acknowledges the CFLs existence?
Interesting to read the reactions on the Argos fan forum.
One fan made a very interesting point with this remark:
Charging the prices they are is a major miscalculation. They had no CFL fanbase regenerated in the GTA and existing fans me included were priced out. I sincerely hope the new owners are in it for the long haul as they have said and many on this site keep saying. If the GC is played in front of a half empty stadium then this mgmt group has not only hurt the Argos but the entire league in less than a year. It will take years to recover. A cynic might say they have done such a terrible job it looks intentional.
And people wonder what Tanenbaum's true motives are in taking on an ownership role with the Argos? It's becoming harder than ever to argue that it's to run them down to the point where the NFL can't help but come in to Toronto in order to save football in Canada.
Maybe he's heeded the immortal words of Alan Ford and decided that "his days of selling moody goods on street corners are numbered. It's time to move on and he knows it."
If you're TSN, maybe it's time to admit that annually plopping heavy subsidies on a league with ever-diminishing long term prospects in Canada's three major markets is not the soundest business strategy. They must look at the Blue Jays appeal as Canada's Team in MLB and wonder if they couldn't leverage their current presence in televising football into a much more lucrative endeavour - with far less effort and outlay - with Canada's Team in the NFL.
Last edited by greatwhitenorf; 10-05-2016 at 09:19 PM.
^ Yes. Moving them to a football stadium when they could simply have let the Jays kick them out with no place to go clearly points to him wanting to purposely give up grey cups and run the Argos into the ground.
Speaking of ground, any thoughts on the actual ground share yet? Specifically, any incident at all that suggests this isn't working? At this point, I'd take a single example from you. Just one. Not sure if that is the sound of your keyboard or crickets, it's hard to tell sometimes.
Tanenbaum doesn't like to lose money. And the NFL is not coming to Toronto for at least another 30 years. And, no, TSN actually likes the CFL and makes money off of it.
So that would be a no.
Your sarcasm is too long winded to be effective.
I agree that gridiron in Toronto was in a very precarious place for a number of months. The charity involved in the decision is inflated now by the returns they aren't getting.
I don't get a rise out of it since it won't mean them out of the stadium for years yet.
Real topic update - while we go on international break (PLAYING MAURITANIA TODAY!) the Argos have BMO field for 2 games on Mon and next Sat.
Last edited by Fort York Redcoat; 10-06-2016 at 08:21 AM.
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The CMNT game today is in .... Marrakesh?
What? Why?
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.
Marrakesh because they play Morocco next and it saves money for Mauritania and Canada much like our third party hosts in Austria.
but yes that gives Toronto a break minus the boys who get the call for the squad and the Argos the pitch next week.
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If the NFL were so opposed to the notion of coming to Toronto, why would they let Tanenbaum & Associates even participate in the bid for the Bills? Had Tanenbaum's group won, they had every intention of bringing the Bills to Toronto.
Of course, in hindsight, we see the Tanenbaum group were likely used as a stalking horse to drive up the eventual winning bid from Terry Pegula to $1.4 billion, a level that served to incrementally increase the average value of NFL franchises. And to do this with one of the weakest-performing franchises in the NFL (lowest avg. seat price, lowest suite revenues) could only earn one reaction from the NFL owners club:
No, our man Tanenbaum is piling up quite a tidy sum of goodwill. The NFL can't fail to notice the national reaction being produced by the Blue Jays and Raptors. It's been good for both sports to see not only the marketplace grow for these games in Canada, but to see the effect on producing talent. Minor baseball registrations are through the roof this past summer and with the Jays back in the post season, it will only push the numbers higher.
Now look at the quietly troubling state of football these days in Canada. Soccer is eroding the presence of the CFL in Canada's three biggest cities. Put an NFL team in Toronto and you would revitalize interest in the game at all levels. With an NFL team in Toronto, there'd be money aplenty to subsidize the CFL for the loss of Toronto. And, quite possibly, the departure of the Argonaut brand to the NFL.
Toronto would buy that big time.
Last edited by greatwhitenorf; 10-06-2016 at 08:45 AM.
^ As likely as the success of the CPL.
slow clap.
Seriously there is nothing new to this besides the Argos move and their bad attendance which is still drops in a bucket compared to the TSN tv money which hasn't taken any nosedive that I've heard.
I struggle to see how you can be so positive about this decades-long prediction of NFL Toronto but another Canadian footy league is somehow doomed.
Takes all kinds. You seem to have more interest in footy but you're outlook is more positive talking about the NFL? Is it just to belittle the CFL? I see a waste of energy if that's the case.
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We haven't witnessed all potential scenarios yet to make a conclusive decision. Let's wait till after a heavy rain (mud bowl territory) to judge. If we can handle that then it's fine. Regardless, the hideous and out of context Argos sign slapped onto one of the supports is ugly as f#@k, and takes away from an otherwise classy looking stadium. Anyway, if the turf survives a mud bowl scenario then I can tolerate the ground share.
Arash Midani recently posted that the Argos vs Als TV numbers were less than Jags vs Colts. (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/stat...47990084337667) Numbers were around 250k which is nothing to laugh at but given that most CFL fans were pumping out theirs chests to tune of 900k viewership for some games, this may indicate the start of a trend.
I'm of the opinion that the same 300k-500k people (probably out west) watch every CFL game regardless of whose playing. These are true CFL fans. I'd be more interested to see actual Toronto numbers of Argo games.
I've always believed that there are more physical TFC fans in Toronto than Argo fans and as such TFC should have top priority when it comes to BMO field.
Last edited by Wally; 10-06-2016 at 11:15 AM.
Sounds like Argos are way over priced. TFC has had issues with over pricing, not to the degree of the Argos but remember how mad we were back in 2009 when our tickets had doubled since 2007 and we had finished at the bottom of the league each year....we were all pissed off. Tickets the following year were then decreased as attendance dropped , took a few years to bounce back from that and a few big signings like Defoe and then our legend Giovinco. Without those signings and without finally getting a winning team (to be fare there is only so much losing any fan could handle) we could be getting very low attendance today all started by the steep price increases followed by shit on field performance. Also while I hope we can fill BMO field, our playoff tickets are going to be pretty expensive on the general ticket sales, those tickets took a pretty steep climb from what they were going to charge last year in the playoffs. Sports in this city really do try to sell tickets at the highest price possible, not only in hockey but even TFC have tried to sell there tickets at the highest price in the league.As soon as this city gets good attendance numbers they jack up the price, as soon as they have a winning season they jack up the price, as soon as they make the playoffs they jack the prices up. Some other cities give away hot dogs and free parking exc. exc just to get bums in the seats, and if they ever sold out tickets they wouldn't dream of losing fans by doubling up prices the following year. Here in Toronto....they will risk anything to make an extra buck on fans, even if it means risking losing fans by over pricing tickets for a few years.
^ not to be rude but you might want to break huge paragraphs up so more people are inclined to read.
Just stopped by to say my work just gave away like 150+ free tickets to the Oct. 15th game. I'd be pissed if I bought any tickets this year.
Why? It's already been widely discussed that the CFL does not need Toronto to be successful for the league to be successful. I'll be interested when numbers get so low on tv that it no longer works for TSN league wide because with a league this small in team numbers they will let the big city limp along as long as they can.
Years and years.
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NFL will let anybody bid. Actually letting them in? Highly unlikely after Rogers didn't come through with crowds and more importantly, $ when the Bills were there.
But, and yes this is important, the state of the union discussions that happen during Super Bowl week have not mentionned Canada for the last few years.
That ship has sailed.
Was Jason at the helm???
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Nonsense. The NFL would never let just anybody bid.
It simply wouldn't permit the process of acquiring one of its valuable franchises be subjected to derisory bids by unsuited or unqualified individuals.
There's standards that have to be met to get a seat at the table. We're talking about a billion dollar plus property in a league worth mega billions. In the case of the Toronto bid, the group included a high-profile 'friend of the game' in John Bon Jovi. Someone who has earned the hearty endorsement of influential Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and tabbed by him to be a future NFL owner.
As for the tepid reaction to the Bills series, it actually did credit to Toronto's NFL fans. It showed a cultured audience unwilling to accept a second-rate product (a horse plop Bills team) served under specious circumstances.
Argos fans know what the future holds and it isn't promising. Unless it involves migrating the Argonaut brand into an NFL team. BMO Field was built for soccer and they know it's simply another temporary home until this situation plays out.
Last edited by greatwhitenorf; 10-06-2016 at 01:54 PM.
The NFL is targeting London for expansion before Toronto ever gets a look. They want to grow their product internationally. They already have Canada's television audience without needing a team in Canada. The UK doesn't watch any NFL football unless the game is being played there. So they know they need a team there to have any chance of getting into that huge television market. The EPL, btw, is making huge inroads in the American television audience and the NFL doesn't like that.
Not to sound or be pessimistic regarding the Argos attendance prospects, but I think they could see their worst/lowest numbers for this game on monday.
Thanksgiving Monday at 4pm, against a non rival (I would consider those to be Hamilton, Ottawa and Montreal).
No one but the die hard Argos fans are making it out for this one.
I was under the impression that there was some tv viewership of NFL in the UK already. I'd say of the 4 major north american leagues, NFL has the most popularity in the UK. NFL coming to Canada has always been more of a political question rather than the economics involved.
Could be 10K.
It certainly looks like they're going about it the right way in London, with Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium designed to have a roll-out grass pitch set on top of a lower surface for the NFL turf. Both sports will enjoy optimum conditions and will provide a proper showcase for the NFL with the front row seats sitting several feet above the lower playing surface. No need there to tarp off the first few rows as must be done at Wembley.
But the NFL can't expand by just one team. Even if it were merely two new teams, a second city would have to be chosen. Some people tout the Texas corridor between Austin and San Antone as the prime destination. Let's see how the owners of Dallas and Houston feel about that.
The NFL in Toronto would find it easy, if they are placed in the AFC east, to generate natural geographical rivalries, especially with Buffalo. It would also re-vitalize interest in playing the game in Canada, hopefully boosting a source of talent for the league that has proven useful in the past.
And the CFL would be gone from BMO Field. We could see the stadium properly restored from the current eyesore at the north end, a decently designed roof structure completed over the south end and more soccer presented there throughout the season.
Last edited by greatwhitenorf; 10-06-2016 at 03:43 PM.
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