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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Not going to debate this because of how much you contribute on these boards but there are loads of people, philosophers etc etc who disagree with your point, many of whom are not stupid.
    Always up for a debate but this thread probably isn't the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Please tell me this wasn't a serious post.

    Yes because you are the only one who posts serious stuff and are the omnipotent poster on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    There's always a comparison that is wilder than the one you are making.

    If you think society overspends on sports, what do you think of the fact that people spend more on lotteries than all other forms of entertainment combined (including sports)?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...-shame/392870/

    btw powerball prize is $1.4B tomorrow night. If someone here won that, they could buy TFC and BMO and solve this thing

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    it would be cheaper to buy the argos...to fold them...


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    IDK it depends on how much debt the organization was carrying... my educated assumption was and still is they were bought for debt plus $1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post
    I got on the soapbox a page or two back about why TFC have greater future prospects than the Argonauts and why nothing should ever be done to diminish the perception that BMO Field is first, foremost and always a soccer stadium. This, coming from someone who grew up loving the Argos...

    ...MLSE have a good thing going with TFC. As long as they don't piss off the soccer fans who have been, and can forever be, the best friends BMO Field could ever hope for. Screw it up again with soccer fans and they will be very hard to retrieve.
    Just wanted to say that I really appreciated this—some very poignant context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post

    MLSE have a good thing going with TFC. As long as they don't piss off the soccer fans who have been, and can forever be, the best friends BMO Field could ever hope for. Screw it up again with soccer fans and they will be very hard to retrieve.
    You're absolutely right when it comes to Toronto. But one thing MLSE knows is that when it comes to pro sports they are the only game in town and pissing off fans has never been a big worry of theirs. Especially not now that they are also the only broadcaster. Toronto may have crappy, poorly attended teams, but MLSE (Bell and Rogers) make their money off the leagues. It's frustrating, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhitenorf View Post
    I got on the soapbox a page or two back about why TFC have greater future prospects than the Argonauts and why nothing should ever be done to diminish the perception that BMO Field is first, foremost and always a soccer stadium. This, coming from someone who grew up loving the Argos.

    My instinct in this is shaped by many years of roaming the city in both a personal and professional capacity with sports. Having a family has certainly made it clear which of soccer or football is foremost in the minds of the young, desirable audience that any sport strives for. That's your future. That's who's buying tomorrow's tickets. That's who commercial sponsors will be marketing to.

    Just take a wander any weeknight to any playing fields in the 416 or nearby environs and it's soccer mad. My own experiences have taken me to parks with multiple pitches like Lamoureux, McLevin(Abbas Ali), Eglinton Flats, Eglinton Park(N Toronto), Downsview, Ashtonbee Reservoir, Sunnybrook, Centennial, Summerlea, Carmine Stefano, North York Civic/Esther Shiner, G. Ross Lord, Richview, Bluehaven, Rememberto Navia, Flemingdon, Jim McPherson, Clairlea, Ellesmere Reservoir and Wanita plus many school fields or single field parks like Dieppe, Highview, Earlscourt and on and on.

    Plus multi-pitch venues on the outskirts like Bay Ridges, Vaughan Grove, Mt. Joy, Hershey Centre-Icelands complex.

    It's insane how many people are involved. Try getting a parking space near the field most nights. Try finding open area for kids to warm up before a game. Try finding open space to conduct practices. Toronto is absolutely soccer saturated and approaching a point where you could call it a crisis as space on teams or house leagues begins to get tight.

    This isn't new nor is it news. It's been going on for generations. Nothing but growth. Given this country's immigration policies and trends, you can be sure it's tailored for even more growth to come. You can't say that about Canadian football in Toronto.

    If you're a parent, you can't remotely consider letting youngsters indulge in full-contact tackle football. Not with all the emerging data on head injuries from heavy contact sports like football. Not with highlight reels this week showing Vontaze Burfict in full-on rage mode against the Steelers. So when kids finally get involved with football, it likely isn't until junior high or high school. At that point, you're starting with a tiny percentage of participants compared to those who began playing soccer years before and are still playing. Those football playing opportunities are dwindling as high schools continue to drop the game from their intramural curriculums.

    Where the CFL absolutely loses is that when/if kids do take up an interest in football, the CFL is absolutely drowned out by the NFL's multi-platform media machine. It's this huge, sexy beast full of charismatic superstars and highlight reel plays that get blasted all over the US and Canadian media and utterly dwarf anything the CFL can offer.

    Sure, you can say that MLS and TFC pale in comparison to the top European leagues. But they're not here, on our doorstep, to offer a live, attendable alternative. MLS is the only choice for those wanting a live-game experience. And so far, it would seem sports fans in this city have endorsed TFC in the most vital manner possible - with their wallets. They buy TFC tickets and merchandise, they show up and they support vociferously.

    All this while the team has largely been a complete pooch on the pitch and no one's sweetheart in the media.

    You don't see TFC or MLS being propped up the way Toronto Sun features the CFL on multiple pages every week or TSN goes about nibbling the toes of the CFL, with pre- and post-game shows, nightly in-depth or situational reports and highlights galore. MLS on TSN means stark, spartan game coverage and then? Boom - straight into another vital program like the 50 Most Nonsensical Refs Calls of The Past Year. None of the build up or follow up, none of the mid-week analysis, no playoff previews. Nothing to capture or build a soccer audience the way they coddle the CFL.

    It has all the appearance of a grumpy associate doing a deliberately shabby job.

    There's all manner of ballyhoo that playing in the Rogers Centre worked against the Argos. Yeah, well, that situation also isn't new or news. But if the so-called Argos fans love the league so much, how come they never turned out to at least say thanks and show appreciation after the team won the Greh Cup in 2012? Season tickets dropped below 4,000 soon after. Last season's attendance was absolutely hilarious but it wasn't like it was a dramatic drop from the previous two years. Is it because everyday sports fans were cynical and skeptical about how bogus the 2012 cup victory looked after that inexplicable trade that sent top QB Ricky Ray from Edmonton to Toronto?

    In 1983, the Argos won their first cup in 33 years and the victory parade absolutely paralyzed the downtown core for hours as a crowd close to 100,000 jammed the route from start to finish. You can look it up. It was mental. I was there. Ticker-tape cascading down on Bay St., fans lined so deep the vehicles couldn't get through without cops opening temporary gaps, fans piling onto the cars to hug or kiss players. It was like the war just ended.

    In 2012, I went back to see how that parade crowd compared. It was stunning. Not much more than a couple of thousand thinly strung along Bay St., many of those simply curious bystanders, stopped for a moment, then walking along in the opposite direction as they headed somewhere else or just caught up in a delay as they waited to cross the road. Can't blame them. The reward at the end of the route was the cruel and unusual sight of Rob Ford and his Don Bosco Bozos sharing the stage area with the cup.

    I was sad for the club but here was the clearest evidence that despite all media tub thumping for the Argos, they had simply lost the attention and interest of the city. It wasn't just that they weren't interested in the Argos, they weren't interested in the CFL period. It just isn't a big enough prize anymore in a city accustomed to its other pro teams playing the best from across the continent.

    TFC, MLS and the game of soccer are moving in all the right ways to grow and develop sound foundations for decades to come. The work done to bring in top talent has improved the quality of play annually and this year earned the club international recognition with Giovinco's image appearing all over European media as he continues to play well and remain a part of the Italian team heading to Euro 2016. The fact that TFC can feature such promising home grown talent like Osorio, Chapman, Morgan, with many others in development at the academy and TFC II only promises better things to come for club and country.

    Soccer fans get this. Even those fan boys that love to wear shirts of trendy Euro sides like Barca, Juve, Bayern or (shudder) Chelsea and talk down about MLS still show up at BMO Field when the going gets good. Once TFC begin winning consistently, that will become much less of an issue. They have it in them to be giants in this city. One title will bring back the Bay St. madness described above.

    You can't say that about the Argos and never will. No matter how much love and money the TSN/Tannenbaum axis drop on them, it won't change anything. The perception is that their stewardship is simply a caretaking job to let the NFL come to Toronto someday. How sickening must that be for die-hard CFL fans?

    Nothing in that mandate says BMO Field should be changed in any way to alter the long-established designation that first, foremost and always it is a soccer stadium. One forced by politics to stretch to accommodate shambling, hard-up renters who've been kicked out of their parents basement.

    MLSE have a good thing going with TFC. As long as they don't piss off the soccer fans who have been, and can forever be, the best friends BMO Field could ever hope for. Screw it up again with soccer fans and they will be very hard to retrieve.

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    Labour Day classic shifted to Toronto for the hell of it? Just another home game for Toronto for me. Sure it will sellout but I doubt will see the vandalism we've seen in the past from rivals. That's as far as I'd care about it.

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    Extrapolating the trend doesn't always work. There are a lot of big baseball franchises that drew 8,000 a game in the 1960s and 1970s.

    I don't think the Argos are finished. It's a huge brand. I think they'll probably do a lot better at BMO than Skydome. Sitting outdoors is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Extrapolating the trend doesn't always work. There are a lot of big baseball franchises that drew 8,000 a game in the 1960s and 1970s.

    I don't think the Argos are finished. It's a huge brand. I think they'll probably do a lot better at BMO than Skydome. Sitting outdoors is better.
    The biggest thing will be a consistant home schelule, which will be even better in 2017 when BMO Field is finished and TFC can start at home normally too with March/April games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Extrapolating the trend doesn't always work. There are a lot of big baseball franchises that drew 8,000 a game in the 1960s and 1970s.

    I don't think the Argos are finished. It's a huge brand. I think they'll probably do a lot better at BMO than Skydome. Sitting outdoors is better.
    The Argos primarily exist as a foil for the Western Canada CFL teams. The CFL is still very strong in the West. In Toronto, NFL has taken over, especially for younger pointy-ball fans. This is not a "trend," it is a current reality. Could Torontonians lose their love for the NFL? Possible, but not likely.

    The Argos won't disappear though. Interests will prop them up so that Toronto stays in the running for an NFL franchise. The NFL needs the CFL to fight against anti-trust actions. The CFL could always theoretically move back into the US so they provide "competition" for the NFL so that they can say that they are not a monopoly.
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    Blue Patch Boys have launched. According to their twitter: The Argos are heading to BMO. We the Blue Patch Boys will turn RED into blue. Goals: Fieldturf by 2018. Lower bowl seats to turn BLUE by 2019.

    Lots of tweets intended to tweak Red Patch Boys.

    https://twitter.com/ARGOSBMO1

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    Saw this last month. Dude can't even troll properly.

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    Toronto NFL fans need to get serious. There will be NO NFL club moving or expanding here... not willing to say EVER but its not far off EVER. London England has a better chance than Toronto. We don't have anything near a stadium (built or projected) that could accommodate the NFL and the biggest part of all of that is the fact that a Toronto franchise does NOTHING for US NFL television ratings - which we all know is the most important thing of all. And of course there is Los Angeles - currently without a team...

    But back to the Argos. I keep repeating this for emphasis in this forum. The Argos to BMO is not about making the Argos profitable (I don't think they ever will be profitable in this market...). If MLSE TRULY thought they could make a shekel on the Argos ALL of MLSE would have bought in when given the opportunity. Only two of the partners in MLSE actually did. This is all about TSN - nothing more (Tannenbaum is like the Kevin Pollack character in 'Casino', namely the face of ownership, nothing more. TSN lost hockey and they can't afford to take another hit like that. TSN is far and away currently the MOST profitable cable TV property in Canada, by a wide margin actually. They have (to their credit) built the CFL TV product into a profitable venture for Bell that makes them money. No Argos means a seriously degraded asset in TSN and the Argos moving to the only place they realistically could have in Toronto is the result.

    My big concern is the absolute lack of information from TFC surrounding the SPECIFICS of what they plan for the playing surface. The longer that goes on the more concerned I am becoming. All these updates about the stands and the roof have been COMPLETELY lacking in anything specific about the grass and HOW they plan to make sure that gridiron does not impact the grass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgnewf View Post
    My big concern is the absolute lack of information from TFC surrounding the SPECIFICS of what they plan for the playing surface. The longer that goes on the more concerned I am becoming. All these updates about the stands and the roof have been COMPLETELY lacking in anything specific about the grass and HOW they plan to make sure that gridiron does not impact the grass.
    This does concern me and TFC / MLSE owe us a SG Town Hall to fill in these details and to answer any and all questions that we might have for them.

    Anecdotal information is not sufficient and that's all we seem to be getting.

    One minute we hear no collapsible south-end seats and then we see three or four rows of south-end seats removed!
    One minute we hear hybrid grass and then we hear no hybrid grass!
    One minute we hear no logos on the field ..... ??????

    ... and so on and so on.

    C'mon TFC / MLSE, the time is nigh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgnewf View Post
    Toronto NFL fans need to get serious. There will be NO NFL club moving or expanding here... not willing to say EVER but its not far off EVER. London England has a better chance than Toronto. We don't have anything near a stadium (built or projected) that could accommodate the NFL and the biggest part of all of that is the fact that a Toronto franchise does NOTHING for US NFL television ratings - which we all know is the most important thing of all. And of course there is Los Angeles - currently without a team...

    But back to the Argos. I keep repeating this for emphasis in this forum. The Argos to BMO is not about making the Argos profitable (I don't think they ever will be profitable in this market...). If MLSE TRULY thought they could make a shekel on the Argos ALL of MLSE would have bought in when given the opportunity. Only two of the partners in MLSE actually did. This is all about TSN - nothing more (Tannenbaum is like the Kevin Pollack character in 'Casino', namely the face of ownership, nothing more. TSN lost hockey and they can't afford to take another hit like that. TSN is far and away currently the MOST profitable cable TV property in Canada, by a wide margin actually. They have (to their credit) built the CFL TV product into a profitable venture for Bell that makes them money. No Argos means a seriously degraded asset in TSN and the Argos moving to the only place they realistically could have in Toronto is the result.

    My big concern is the absolute lack of information from TFC surrounding the SPECIFICS of what they plan for the playing surface. The longer that goes on the more concerned I am becoming. All these updates about the stands and the roof have been COMPLETELY lacking in anything specific about the grass and HOW they plan to make sure that gridiron does not impact the grass.
    I was told that Larry, or whoever, is paying to have 3 "back-up" pitches ready at all times. (essentially a sod farm)
    so if by chance, the argos happen to play in 3 monsoon level games in 2016, BMO field has 3 pristine grass pitches to be harvested immediately and shipped down to BMO.

    TFC should be shouting this from the rooftops.
    if people knew that they are that committed, people would be put at ease.

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    I've heard they have a backup pitch but not 3, i hope your are right but its still tough to get them rooted at all mid season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    Yes, and I also think soccer will have to become a much bigger NCAA sport before MLS can get into the top tier. The NCAA develop fans as much as it develops players.
    That's so true, and I'm glad you mentioned it. College sports in the US really is a different beast compared to athletics anywhere else in the world. And you're absolutely right - that's the point when people become more exposed so many other aspects of sports.

    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    You live in Oakville, which I like but that is not the city. I see people wearing TFC gear on pretty much a daily basis. I live in the beaches, have an office at Yonge and Sheppard and go all over the GTA and southern Ontario. I hardly ever see any Argo gear. and I am not anti-Argo or CFL at all, quite to the contrary. I also think that lots of CFL fans, including me, do not follow the NFL, and most NFL fans have no interest in the CFL they see it as a minor league. I used to be huge into Football, I came here at 15 was a big kid and soccer was shit, so I started following the NFL. But I always loved the CFl because of its Canadian tradition, and got tiered of the NFL, because it has gone away from the smash mouth into the flash, and I just do not like it. Plus in the past 10 years I have followed footy, the real one almost exclusively (Serie A and TFC in particular).

    But going back on the subject, I take note of TFC gear and as I said I see it every day. I also notice when someone were Argo gear, and I see it once a month at best.
    I think it's pretty much a "Toronto" thing, because out here in Durham, people in TFC shirts or jackets are also few and far between. For every person I see sporting TFC merch outside or at the mall, I'll probably see at least ten others wearing the colours of a European club - usually Real Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, or Man United. But like you said, there's even fewer people wearing Argos gear.

    We've all said it several times before, but it really does bear repeating: Soccer has, of all summer sports, the most potential to become the next HUGE pastime for Canadians outside of hockey. It's as if the stars are in perfect alignment for it. Every passing day we continue to receive an influx of immigrants from nations where soccer is either a national institution or at least followed closely by most. Additionally, the sport continues to grow rapidly in the US - the one nation where we tend to take our cultural cues from (for better or worse). Which is probably why above anything else, the business of the Argos coming to BMO Field just doesn't sit right with many of us. Why is an accommodation being made by a team and a league who's sport is on the ascent nationally and across the continent, for a team that is playing for an extremely limited (and lessening) market?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    I was told that Larry, or whoever, is paying to have 3 "back-up" pitches ready at all times. (essentially a sod farm)
    so if by chance, the argos happen to play in 3 monsoon level games in 2016, BMO field has 3 pristine grass pitches to be harvested immediately and shipped down to BMO.

    TFC should be shouting this from the rooftops.
    if people knew that they are that committed, people would be put at ease.
    Now that IS interesting. And you're right; if it's true, TFC should be mentioning it at every opportunity. The thought certainly eases my mind a little.
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    Soccer is growing, but I think most of that growth is accruing to the big Euro leagues and competitions. MLS soccer has lost ground to big time soccer the last 3-5 years. You can get every game in every big league (Italy, England, Spain, Germany) on HD TV now. You can get a lot of these games without spending much dough.

    Re the Argos, I don't see the symmetry in discussing them vs TFC. It's a totally different niche fan base (and one that has been punished/ignored, and is likely to come back strong).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cashcleaner View Post
    I think it's pretty much a "Toronto" thing, because out here in Durham, people in TFC shirts or jackets are also few and far between. For every person I see sporting TFC merch outside or at the mall, I'll probably see at least ten others wearing the colours of a European club - usually Real Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, or Man United. But like you said, there's even fewer people wearing Argos gear.
    I live in Ajax and maybe there is a difference between Oshawa and Ajax when talking about TFC gear in Durham but I see TFC gear almost every day at some point when I do go out to some stores or whatever. I don't find it unusual to see and definitely wouldn't call it few and far between in Ajax. Maybe it is just the areas I got to. Who knows. You are right though you will see UEFA club teams even more though but that is pretty normal anywhere in Canada I would think. Argos gear....I can't even say when the last time is that I have ever seen any Argos gear on anyone. I don't know if I have even ever seen it for sale at places like National Sports, Sport Chek, etc. I am going to look for it next time I am out. Now I am curious.

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    Its A backup pitch along with the idea that regular grass is easy to patch - so putting in a field replacement is really a last resort but one that gives them some security until further assessment is made. A hybrid surface can't be patched so it got taken out of contention.

    The artificial field on top of the regular was ruled out for 2 reasons - 1- its never been done and 2 (more importantly) its crazy expensive. Surface tiles like the ones they talk about are rented on a per event basis given how prohibitive the cost is on those tiles to own/maintain and operate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgnewf View Post
    And of course there is Los Angeles - currently without a team...
    Looks like that box has been ticked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kool View Post
    I live in Ajax and maybe there is a difference between Oshawa and Ajax when talking about TFC gear in Durham but I see TFC gear almost every day at some point when I do go out to some stores or whatever. I don't find it unusual to see and definitely wouldn't call it few and far between in Ajax. Maybe it is just the areas I got to. Who knows. You are right though you will see UEFA club teams even more though but that is pretty normal anywhere in Canada I would think. Argos gear....I can't even say when the last time is that I have ever seen any Argos gear on anyone. I don't know if I have even ever seen it for sale at places like National Sports, Sport Chek, etc. I am going to look for it next time I am out. Now I am curious.
    Just because someone is wearing TFC gear doesn't mean they are supporters.
    Suggest the next time you see someone in TFC gear in a mall or whatever try starting a conversation about the team or the players. From our experience, we have approached several people in TFC gear but were disappointed they knew little or nothing about TFC. Apparently they liked the look of the gear and bought it, or someone gave them the gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Soccer is growing, but I think most of that growth is accruing to the big Euro leagues and competitions. MLS soccer has lost ground to big time soccer the last 3-5 years. You can get every game in every big league (Italy, England, Spain, Germany) on HD TV now. You can get a lot of these games without spending much dough.

    Re the Argos, I don't see the symmetry in discussing them vs TFC. It's a totally different niche fan base (and one that has been punished/ignored, and is likely to come back strong).
    This is a big factor. And like most entertainment products these days, most consumer spending is on the top few with a big drop=off after that. In publishing we've seen the decline of what used to be called the mid-list and in movies it's the total dominance of the blockbuster. A few brand names dominate just about every industry.

    If MLS is only ever a gate-receipt league with little presence on TV, so what? If there are 28 teams that each draw 25,000 fans to every game what's wrong with that?

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    I see people in Burlington wearing TFC gear fairly regularly in the spring and fall as the pullovers and jackets seams to be the most popular, almost never see Argos stuff but Ti-cats stuff appears from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kool View Post
    I live in Ajax and maybe there is a difference between Oshawa and Ajax when talking about TFC gear in Durham but I see TFC gear almost every day at some point when I do go out to some stores or whatever. I don't find it unusual to see and definitely wouldn't call it few and far between in Ajax. Maybe it is just the areas I got to. Who knows. You are right though you will see UEFA club teams even more though but that is pretty normal anywhere in Canada I would think. Argos gear....I can't even say when the last time is that I have ever seen any Argos gear on anyone. I don't know if I have even ever seen it for sale at places like National Sports, Sport Chek, etc. I am going to look for it next time I am out. Now I am curious.
    I gotta admit, I'm a bit surprised by this. I work in Pickering and probably spend more waking hours there than I do Oshawa. I'd say in a workforce of about 360 people I'm one out of possibly a dozen TFC fans. Outside of us, there might be a dozen more of us who follow MLS in any way. On the flip side, there's plenty of guys who follow all their teams back home (mostly Portugal, Spain, and Italy). Actually, now that I think of it, Razor over at Petrina's probably has a number of friends who follow the team as well. So yeah, it just might be the circles I hang out with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayMolly View Post
    Just because someone is wearing TFC gear doesn't mean they are supporters.
    Suggest the next time you see someone in TFC gear in a mall or whatever try starting a conversation about the team or the players. From our experience, we have approached several people in TFC gear but were disappointed they knew little or nothing about TFC. Apparently they liked the look of the gear and bought it, or someone gave them the gear?
    SO like 90% of the people wearing Barca stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard View Post
    This does concern me and TFC / MLSE owe us a SG Town Hall to fill in these details and to answer any and all questions that we might have for them.

    Anecdotal information is not sufficient and that's all we seem to be getting.

    One minute we hear no collapsible south-end seats and then we see three or four rows of south-end seats removed!
    One minute we hear hybrid grass and then we hear no hybrid grass!
    One minute we hear no logos on the field ..... ??????

    ... and so on and so on.

    C'mon TFC / MLSE, the time is nigh!
    As Phil and Pint said above the surface question was clarified late summer of last year and that's the last word on it until this August when they look at the state of the pitch and decide whether or not to replace it fully (Grass for more grass).

    The lack of a real press release or town hall or email even setting these details for all fans is what's got us all here. They have to deal with seat relocations first so that will be the first item resolved. It wasn't mentioned if there would be any loss of seats in the south, just how the seats would be removed or moved for the second tenants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    SO like 90% of the people wearing Barca stuff?
    Is it just me, or did Barcelona get like ULTRA hip all of a sudden back in the mid 2000s? Don't get me wrong, it's a great team that has seen tremendous players over the years, but I remember Real Madrid shirts hitting the scene first and then it was like the people who didn't hop on that train went with Barca instead a few years later. Obviously, I don't think anyone here fits that description on account of being legitimate soccer fans, but something I sorta noticed happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cashcleaner View Post
    Is it just me, or did Barcelona get like ULTRA hip all of a sudden back in the mid 2000s? Don't get me wrong, it's a great team that has seen tremendous players over the years, but I remember Real Madrid shirts hitting the scene first and then it was like the people who didn't hop on that train went with Barca instead a few years later. Obviously, I don't think anyone here fits that description on account of being legitimate soccer fans, but something I sorta noticed happen.

    it's part football, part marketing. The ronaldinho 2004-2008 team's were very big for a certain generation of young football fan who now had access to all the football they wanted. Then there was the Guardiola teams who "re-invented' football, combined with all that La Masia and them being "more than a club" bullshit being shoved down your throat at every turn. Then they were essentially bought by the Qatari government (same people who happen to own beIN sports) along with PSG in an attempt to convince everyone that because they gave the world the trio of Messi, Suarez and Neymar, everyone should forget that among other crimes, they're murdering thousands of slaves in order to build the infrastructure required to host the World Cup they stole through bribery and fraud. What you're noticing is a massive marketing campaign carried out by evil people.

    Madrid also didn't do themselves many favors, what with only 3 major trophies in 9 years.

 

 

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