I would expect much fact checking from him. He'll just ignore it when another long, error riddled post about how his opinion is fact.Originally Posted by GabrielHurl
I would expect much fact checking from him. He'll just ignore it when another long, error riddled post about how his opinion is fact.
I like how I'm being painted as a CFL lover for making a few points about how York currently isn't a feasible option for the Argos.
I guess someone didn't learn from the warning he got last week.
Just like any other country or city. Mexico city has a sizeable wealthy population. It would be a corporate crowd. The rich attending, not the middle class.
You're right on getting players to play there may be tough though. Same with getting players to play in London or Toronto. Just look at the Raptors for such a long time players cringed at having to play there.
Last edited by king10; 03-25-2015 at 02:54 PM.
you and me both
Well - you're a TiCats fan at least - so he's partially right
Well - you're a TiCats fan at least - so he's partially right
hahaha you got me there!
I wonder about that. Look at what TFC has done with TFC2. What's to keep MLSE from using the Argos as the call-up farm team for a Toronto NFL franchise? Compared to the NFL Salary Cap, the CFL will be peanuts. Knowing that future NFLers may be playing with the Argos might drum up interest.
But are those wealthy people willing to buy NFL tickets and become SSH? I think not or else we will hear more about Mexico City instead of London and even Toronto than Mexico City.
It will be a lot harder to run NFL team in Mexico than it will be in Toronto.
Well the wealthy toronto ppl werent exactly interested in buying tix to the bills in toronto series either.....
Also theres just as much news as NFL to mexico city. Just do a quick google search. Of course in Toronto you won't hear much about it because its Toronto toronto toronto
for example.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...r-nfl-markets/
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/24...s-football.htm
Also Mexico City isn't cannabalizing an existing market (buffalo). Would the toronto team have to pay a huge fee to buffalo for infringing on their tv market?
Last edited by king10; 03-25-2015 at 03:31 PM.
So how many investors planned to bid on getting Mexican NFL team? How come we don't hear owners from small market teams threat to relocate their team to Mexico City like we hear with Toronto and London?
This Mexico City talk is nothing but a marketing plot to attract large Mexican American community to NFL.
CFL and NFL rules would prevent it. And if the CFL even considers the idea of being a farm league for the NFL, most CFL supporters would have a bird.
Cause we don't hear this about London or Toronto. (except in the warped minds of some NFL nuts here)
LA is the usual suspect for that.
Poorly marketed and executed experience, below what people expect of an NFL game. For what they were charging you could rent a limo with tailgate and go to Buffalo for 75% of the cost. So using that as the representation is flawed.
The later ones were to grab cash, not test the depth of the market.
Cox being absolutely non-committal about the story with Bob McCowan now
What do you except? He doesn't even know what he's talking about.
He should stick with talking about hockey.
Who other than buffalo threatened to move to toronto? Only reason buffalo did was because of its proximity to buffalo.
And london and mex city would be expansions. Not relocations. No american owner would relocate out of the country. It would have to be expansion.
Oh god no - he's worse at that - tennis is where he belongs
And yet all we hear from the NFL on that experience is that Toronto isn't interested.
Nah, the move to Toronto isn't happening anytime soon.
All we got today was an interview by QMI (who don't forget are getting back the biggest NFL booster in Godfrey who is going to be the publisher of the new SUN/Post merged paper) with the Bills new owner saying they would have no issue with at Toronto team.
Means nothing about the Argos to BMO.
A toronto nfl team would be priced similar to the bills in toronto series and what the maple leafs charge. Its big league and theyre gunna charge as such.
Me personally id never go. My family has bills seasons tickets and im a bills fan. Cheapest prices in the league and tailgating experience second to none. Not gunna find that with a toronto expansion team. Plus i like supporting a small town team like buffalo and their die hard fans. I feel a toronto team would just be a corporate money grab like the leafs are and the bills in toronto series was.
No denying that. However it would also come with a proper setup and not another city's team. Not every NFL fan in Toronto is a bills fan.
Not to dismiss your lack of interest but it isn't the regular cfl / bills fan the NFL cares about. It's everyone else. It's just such a sports powerhouse killing the market for the cfl in Toronto would be inevitable.
Is it potentially a ways away? Sure. Because it doesn't happen without a non-corporate owner (yet to be found) and a massive handout for a stadium(which they demand everywhere they go). But the interest is already enough to justify a team, hardly see that as a point of debate.
Last edited by ag futbol; 03-25-2015 at 04:09 PM.
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I would debate that the interest isn't there yet for the biggest NFL decision makers - the American tv networks who have billions invested in the game until 2021/2022 under present contracts. I think that the NFL talks about growing the game internationally (showcase games in London are a positive, Mexico City games are possible (was there a pre-season game south of the border?) and we saw the Bills in Toronto series) but the TV networks will always want to drive the actual franchises into the US TV markets now without a team. The NFL knows where the dollars are coming from. The NFL even split of TV revenue would also be a huge obstacle to a new franchise not within the American tv market...
if the Argos move to BMO, either both clubs will suffer or both clubs will do well, which way TFC goes is up to us, the ticket paying public and how much we are willing to take, once we see the game day environment. I do have to say, don't lump in the whole CFL is going down hill for decades line. The Argos have gone down hill with a couple of up turns, but the CFL it selfs is has been going on the upswing. You don't more then double your TV deal if the league is in decline for decades
CFL has issues related to demographics. They are not getting uptake by people under 30 outside of the prairies.
and Hamilton.
Toronto NFL fans were cultivated enough not to buy tickets for a bad team in a bad situation. They don't want to be a patchwork, part-time solution to another team's problems. But if Toronto were in the same division as Buffalo, we'd be a huge rival and a boost to ticket sales there.
And a franchise in Mexico City? Not a chance. Not a farthing's worth in the next decade.
You won't get American players to go there willingly. There's language and culture issues and personal security would be a massive concern. Many American business executives that travel to Mexico City arrange for personal security to ensure they're not kidnapped. NFL players would be even bigger, more high profile targets. Look at what NASCAR had to do when they were staging races there. They'd muster a convoy of transport trucks at the border and meet up with an escort full of well-staffed, heavily armed Hummers and security vehicles. When the races ended, same deal back to El Paso.
True dat. But you can't build a league across Canada without Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal.
Fair point.
oops.
Last edited by greatwhitenorf; 03-25-2015 at 06:46 PM.
Toronto is their biggest problem. But Montreal is not far behind. Give Ottawa time to get past the curiosity factor of the new stadium and they'll join them.
Good luck finding kids, high school or university students who want to talk CFL. I live in the heart of Toronto and never hear casual conversations about the CFL. No one talks about them like they do the Leafs, Raptors, Jays or soccer - and I say soccer because TFC are part of the game's massive mix.
Where the CFL teams in Toronto and Montreal have big worries is that the presence of an MLS club draws coverage and further cuts into their own play in the media, making even harder to make inroads into a young audience. And that young potential(that's all it is, potential) audience isn't playing their game in their recreational moments. They are playing other sports, with soccer at the top of the list and basketball making moves up.
When anyone talks about kids and football, it's with great concern regarding head injuries. The spate of high-profile suicides in recent years has caused great concern amongst school administrators, where risk mitigation is a massive concern.
Then there's the fact that immigration is driving Canada's growth and federal immigration policies are geared to keeping that flow going to keep Canada growing. Newcomers to Canada can immediately relate to soccer - it's the universal sporting language and the gateway into social integration for many children new to Canada. The CFL is a remote concept for them and one that fades almost completely from view when placed in competition for the attention of kids and immigrants with everything else going on in this city. And Montreal.
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