Maintenance, not ground share. Paid too much to fix each week. Esks might have loved playing on it but it was way too costly to maintain.Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat
So, no, grass does not work in CFL.
Maintenance, not ground share. Paid too much to fix each week. Esks might have loved playing on it but it was way too costly to maintain.
So, no, grass does not work in CFL.
Also, high school football takes care of the grass roots for that sport. There will probably be Metro Bowls played at BMO, too, something else to be worried about.
I concur.It might surprise you to know but most TI-Cat fans do not want the Argos to fold - they just want them to lose.
Not called the Metro Bowl anymore. They've been playing at Mac in Hamilton as of late, I'd imagine that would continue or they'd play at Tim Horton's Field. Can't imagine they'd use BMO when an actual football stadium is available.
I sit on the board for The OFSAA Football Bowls and it will be in Hamilton once again this year.
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my understanding is the eskimos stayed with grass so long for a competitive advantage. No other team in the league played on it. They let it grow long and other teams would have trouble picking the correct studs. Also they couldn't use the field for other events ... they wouldn't even allow other team to practice or walk on it before game day.
Then they spent $90m on a new indoor practice facility and practice on field turf, so it make sense to change for games.
Metro bowl, or whatever its called now, is played well after the MLS season. Last weekend of November usually. It will come down to rental cost if it comes back to downtown. Plus, i think the setup in hamilton is pretty good. But I doubt it would come to BMO due to the number of games in a short period.
Last edited by Qman; 05-08-2015 at 11:39 AM.
But doesn't mean they know much about this market and it's sports teams. It was very clear these CFL fans live in different world and think CFL rules all when reality is other way around in Good old T.Dot (Toronto).
Oh I agree, Sask fans have long been telling Argo Fans how to "fix" the Argo and can't seem to understand that there are different things to do in Toronto than Farm and watch CFL in the summertime.
However, in terms of what rules what in the city of Toronto in terms of sports is pretty clear. It's the leafs, followed by the Jays and then a jumbled mess of who's winning and where the "be seen" crowd wants to be (outside the die hards)
Wow, I am surprised at the NBA numbers in Toronto. I expected a much higher percentage. TFC/MLS in last place is no surprise given the age of the franchise, but I suspect that number will grow over time.
I think it would also depend on how the pollster defined Toronto.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
Ignore that survey.
Just go to any social media outlet and see where Toronto teams rank against each other based number of their followers (a lot more accurate than surveying hundred to 1,000 people by contacting them through landline phone like how most of these surveys are done in this country). Not only that, but go to any bar or social gathering in Toronto and try to talk about sports and see which Toronto sports team gets mention.
I bet you any money that Raptors and TFC are more popular than Argos in this city.
Last edited by TFC07; 05-08-2015 at 02:38 PM.
NBA is a very niche sport in canada. its similar to their poor TV ratings. The fact that they are owned by TSN and SN distorts our view because they pump them up. Wish TFC would get the pump up.
You would lose a lot of money, my friend.
Here is a methodology statement from that survey:
"From Nov. 5 to 13 2013, Angus Reid Global conducted anonline survey among 1,505 randomly selected Canadianadults who are Angus Reid Forum panelists. The margin oferror—which measures sampling variability—is +/- 2.5%, 19times out of 20. Discrepancies in or between totals are dueto rounding"
Properly sampled survey research has proven, time and again, to be a reliably accurate form of measurement for trends in large populations. I work with this type of data every day and I can say that data from an Angus Reid survey is a hell of a lot more likely to be accurate than scraping from social media or hanging out at bars. In this case, you may end up with something of a bias because it was an online survey, but this is a far cry from "surveying hundred to 1,000 people by contacting them through landline phone".
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
The Survey was actually done randomly online. The margin oferror—which measures sampling variability—is +/- 2.5%, 19times out of 20.
Going to a bar and talking to people who you are where with is not a good measure (or survey)
As they say, the CFL is like porn, everybody watchs it. But no one will admit it.
Also, it's from 2013. If done today, given the last two years, i'd heavily wager there would be an increase in NBA popularity. Esp in Toronto.
Those are 2013 figures - here's the 2014 report
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uplo...y-Cup-2014.pdf
The one person out in the Atlantic Region who follows MLS - I'm thinking...........RSL supporter.
I'm sure there is an increase of a few percentage points.
Since your chart doesn't have Toronto broken out, I looked at Ontario.Those are 2013 figures - here's the 2014 report
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uplo...y-Cup-2014.pdf
Ontario NHL CFL NFL MLB NBA MLS
ON 2013 44% 22% 25% 27% 10% 7%
ON 2014 41% 16% 21% 26% 13% 9%
Interesting to see the NHL and CFL losing some ground, while the NBA and MLS gained a little bit in Ontario. That said, the changes in MLS are within the +/- 2.5% margin of error. While the CFL definitely went down, we can't say for sure based on those numbers that MLS support is growing. Given the margin of error in these stats, at this point the only safe conclusion is no change from 2013-2014 for MLS with a slight drop for CFL and incremental gains for NBA. If we had a trend over a period of years that showed growth or decline, we could draw some conclusions, but two years of data don't tell us much.
At least, that's how I read the numbers.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
great point. the pot shots are clearly a case of the have nots ripping on the other have nots. Comments like this should be reserved for Leaf fans only as they are the only Kings of the castle , the rest of us are peasants.Oh I agree, Sask fans have long been telling Argo Fans how to "fix" the Argo and can't seem to understand that there are different things to do in Toronto than Farm and watch CFL in the summertime.
However, in terms of what rules what in the city of Toronto in terms of sports is pretty clear. It's the leafs, followed by the Jays and then a jumbled mess of who's winning and where the "be seen" crowd wants to be (outside the die hards)
that survey and $3 bucks will get you a subway ride...talk to me in 25 yrs...apples and oranges...tfc 8 yrs of shite futbol ..CFL,NHL over 100 years old mlb in toronto 40 years...raps 20yrs i think...
now back to our regular scheduled program....the ARGOS AND CFL love in...
don't get upset reggie
im not ...jus waiting for mulder to pull more stats out of his ass and to talk out both sides of his mouth.
i dont hate the argos...i was a season ticket holder for them for 10 years,we all know the argos are coming to BMO.
I really dont need to hear how great the argos and cfl are..thats not what this thread is about.
I don't know how much this holds true in certain markets and especially with a younger crowd. CFL is rural and blue collar, especially with the TV offering.
Of course in comparison MLS is a non-entity With a lot of work to do... But I digress...
Let's not forget that the CFL has huge coverage on the same channel every single year.
MLS coverage is getting better but was spotty at best the days of it being on 3-4 different channels in one season.
Well just for the heck of it - here are numbers from another survey from this week I believe.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...202051528.html
Toronto FC is definitely being given priority during the expansion of BMO Stadium, but a new survey argues that it's the Toronto Argonauts who should be first in line.
When Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment CEO Tim Leiweke told The Toronto Sun earlier this week, ``At the end of the day, it's first, TFC. Second, TFC. Third, TFC,” University of Lethbridge researcher Reginald Bibby commissioned a survey to find which team had more public support.
What he found, in a survey of 4,022 Canadians, was significantly more interest in the Canadian Football League -- across the country and in Toronto.
The survey found that 26 per cent of Canadians closely follow the CFL, second only to the NHL. Only 9 per cent said they are close followers of Major League Soccer. In Ontario it was 21 per cent to 10 for the CFL while in Toronto it was 24 per cent for the CFL and only 7 per cent for the MLS.
Those numbers, which Bibby said have an error range of 2 per cent, 19 times in 20, mirror television ratings. While the CFL averages more than 600,000 viewers per game, the MLS struggles to crack the 100,000 mark. Toronto FC's last two games drew an average of 75,000 and 48,000 viewers.
``The findings suggest that the Argonauts may not lack for fan support that readily exceeds that of Toronto FC, if in fact they are able to have the opportunity to share BMO field with the soccer team," Bibby wrote.
Okay surveys can say all they want.
Were talking about a leauge who has a history of over a hundred years to a team that has 8 going on 9. Of course there are more people that follow CFL.
Following CFL and paying for tickets at a Argos game though completely different things.
If the interest is so high in CFL and Argos in Toronto why does that not translate into attendance for games?
Dam years ago when they were in there prime years of winning you could get a walk up ticket the day of the East semi and sit wherever you wanted.
A survey from hicksville high...I mean, Lethbridge cow-tipping school, what do you expect? PureBS. The Argos are nowhere to be seen in TO and Mr. Reginald Hillbilly the researcher is pushing his inbred CFL agenda.
Last edited by mistercorporate; 05-08-2015 at 05:37 PM.
But their ratings justify the placement. TFC shit the bed and they are down the dial for a reason. Look at VWFC - they consistently play on tsn 1 or 2 and because they've fielded a respectable team they've slowly grown their audience to the 200 ish level which is respectable (and still improving).
Last edited by ag futbol; 05-08-2015 at 05:47 PM.
I'd be curious to see what interest levels would be if TFC and the Argos flipped owners and for the last few years the Argos were the team owned by MLSE with all the benefits that garners promotion and marketing wise and TFC were stuck with an absentee owner like Braley who apparently does not believe in marketing.
As a fan of both TFC and the CFL I hope BMO works out for the Argos with as minimal an impact on turf conditions for TFC as possible. To me that would be the best possible outcome of what we ARE going to see happen within the next couple of years.
love the idea of a sports property being exclusive to 1 network. I hear people complaining that diff networks should providing game coverage but I don't see the benefit of that as a fan.
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