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    I thought it would be cool to narrow the field and use a target man with two running strikers -- a narrow 4-3-3, where the wingbacks are the only real wide play. Doyle pointed out correctly today that Altidore is best on the run, and I think the same is true of Gilberto. So why not play to that strength by using a traditional target man system, where he holds the ball up at the top of the box for the oncoming players? It would solve the number 10 issue, to a degree, and our lack of strength on the wings. The three central midfielders would play flat, and shift to help out on the wing defensively, forcing the other team to play the switch, which in turn allows us to counter.


    ---Alitdore--Dike/Hamilton--Gilberto
    ----Jackson--------Bradley---
    -----------Delgado--------------
    Morrow--Caldwell--Hagglund--Bloom
    --------------Bendik-------------

    I know it's not a pretty style but it would play to our strengths.

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    I'm sure Bez's computer will tell them what to play... don't know if it will be right.. but I'm sure a computer will make the decision.

    Didn't we drop Dike and keep Moore?

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    It's going to be some variation on a 4-3-3. How it will be set up (narrow or attacking), I've no idea until I see the roster in a months time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz View Post
    I'm sure Bez's computer will tell them what to play... don't know if it will be right.. but I'm sure a computer will make the decision.

    Didn't we drop Dike and keep Moore?
    Nope, Dike just signed a new deal I believe.

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    I think it will be a high pressure 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-1-2. Assuming there's more moves to be made, and we bring in a DP AM like Ruiz:

    -Gilberto----------Altidore-----------Findley-
    ------------Giovinco---------------------------
    ------------------------------Bradley----------
    ---------------------Delgado------------------
    Morrow------Caldwell--Hagglund------Bloom
    ------------------Bendik/Bono----------------
    Or
    ---------Gilberto-------Altidore--------------
    -----------------Giovinco---------------------
    ----------Osorio---------Bradley-------------
    -----------------Delgado----------------------
    Morrow----Caldwell-----Hagglund----Bloom

    I think that considering the arsenal of strikers on the roster and lack of quality wingers, it makes the most sense to play without true wingers. The main areas that need addressing if we play like this are defensive and attacking mid, and center back. Our depth looks like this:
    GK: Bendik, Bono, Konopka
    RB: Bloom, Creavalle
    CB: Caldwell, Hagglund
    LB: Morrow, Morgan
    DM: Delgado, Creavalle
    CM: Bradley, Osorio, Warner, Bekker, Chapman, Lovitz (in a Diamond), Jackson
    AM: Giovinco, Osorio
    CF: Altidore, Gilberto, Dike, Moore
    WF: Findley, Gilberto, Oduro, Giovinco

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    rewrite it for the atomic ant!
    Fixed
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    rewrite it for the atomic ant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdubs View Post
    rewrite it for the atomic ant!
    Yeah, pretty much changes everything, lol.

    -----------Alitidore---Gilberto---------
    ---------------Giovinco---------------
    ---------Osorio------Bradley--------
    ---------------Delgado--------------
    Morrow--Caldwell--Hagglund--Bloom

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    IF Delgado can stay disciplined and back there as a DM, he might work.

    Otherwise, we have issues, cause neither Warner nor Creavalle know how to stay anchored back there, which will mean Bradley always going back again, like what was happening in the Chicago Fire away game.

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    I don't see how it isn't a one striker system, most likely a 4-3-3. It's what Vanney wants.

    --------------------Bendik------------------------
    ---Bloom----Perquis----Caldwell-----Morrow---
    ---------------------Warner----------------------
    -------------Bradley------------------------------
    ---------------------------Oso---------------------
    ---Giovinco-------Altidore---------------Findley-

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    Giovinco is wasted out wide. We want a player like him on the ball constantly in the opponent's half.

    I'm in favor of something similar to what jloome posted above. Perhaps a 4-3-2-1 with Giovinco and Gilberto tucked in centrally behind Altidore, if it proves that Jozy works better as a lone frontman.

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    I think playing with a trequartista behind Altidore will be killer. Giovinco + Altidore will be a lethal combination. It would also be possible to play a 4-4-1-1, but that would be a complete waste of all the strikers on the roster, plus our wide midfielders aren't very good.

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    --------------Altidore-------------
    Gilberto----Giovinco*1-------Jackson*1
    ---------------------------------------------
    --------Bradley--------New Signing*2------
    Morrow-----Perquis------Caldwell------Bloom
    -----------Bendik*3------------------

    *1 Osorio
    *2 Creavelle
    *3 Bono

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Yeah, pretty much changes everything, lol.

    -----------Alitidore---Gilberto---------
    ---------------Giovinco---------------
    ---------Osorio------Bradley--------
    ---------------Delgado--------------
    Morrow--Caldwell--Hagglund--Bloom

    This . As Notthesun said we want Gio with the ball feeding the two strikers with service/creativity, with Bradley and Osorio doing the retention in the middle just need someone to break up play(not sure about Delgado).

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    Giovinco is wasted out wide. We want a player like him on the ball constantly in the opponent's half.

    I'm in favor of something similar to what jloome posted above. Perhaps a 4-3-2-1 with Giovinco and Gilberto tucked in centrally behind Altidore, if it proves that Jozy works better as a lone frontman.
    He won't be isolated there. He'd be more of a Landon Donovan type player.

    Bez also classifies him as a winger, not a 10.

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    Findley questions:

    Does he still have that blazing speed? Can Findley be a MF winger in a 4-3-3? Can he cross the ball?

    I wonder if we are going 4-2-4, like the Galaxy did numerous times with Beckham ... I think it's possible Bekker, sitting beside Bradley, with his long passing touch, could thrive in that setup.
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    I'm fairly new at this but could this work?

    ------------Altidore--------------Gilberto--------------

    -------------------------Giovinco--------------------------

    -------------------------Bradley----------------------------

    -----------DM-------------------------------DM-----------

    Morrow------Caldwell----Perquis------Bloom

    Not sure what combo would work best at DM, maybe Warner + Bekker/Creavalle? Big guns up front, fullbacks push up, tight at the back/middle?

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    It's seems best to have Bradley work at as box to box midfielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    He won't be isolated there. He'd be more of a Landon Donovan type player.

    Bez also classifies him as a winger, not a 10.
    Wait Bez has talked about Giovinco already? Where does he say that he considers him a winger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamp Berg View Post
    I'm fairly new at this but could this work?

    ------------Altidore--------------Gilberto--------------

    -------------------------Giovinco--------------------------

    -------------------------Bradley----------------------------

    -----------DM-------------------------------DM-----------

    Morrow------Caldwell----Perquis------Bloom

    Not sure what combo would work best at DM, maybe Warner + Bekker/Creavalle? Big guns up front, fullbacks push up, tight at the back/middle?
    Yeah, that can work; it's sort of the staggered 4-3-3 some teams use.

    Normally, it would be less directly central:

    -----------Altidore-----------------
    -------------------Gilberto---------
    ---------Giovinco----------------
    ----------------Bradley---------
    ---------Delgado----Warner?----------
    Morrow---Cald.---Haggs/Perquis---Bloom
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    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    He won't be isolated there. He'd be more of a Landon Donovan type player.

    Bez also classifies him as a winger, not a 10.
    I believe what he said was it might be a number 10 and it might be a winger; Giovinco has a great skillset for an inverted winger (ala plata when RSL plays the 433) but he isn't used as such by Juve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Findley questions:

    Does he still have that blazing speed? Can Findley be a MF winger in a 4-3-3? Can he cross the ball?

    I wonder if we are going 4-2-4, like the Galaxy did numerous times with Beckham ... I think it's possible Bekker, sitting beside Bradley, with his long passing touch, could thrive in that setup.
    Don't know if he has the speed but he can't cross for shit in the air. Does serve a pretty good low cross, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Don't know if he has the speed but he can't cross for shit in the air. Does serve a pretty good low cross, though.
    Which kinda fits Altidore and Gilberto better. A lot of defenders in this league get away with playing big and physical cause the technical capabilities of the strikers is low. The hold up man they are used to is a Connor Casey or a Leinhart or a Gordon. They can't handle the ball to feet guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Which kinda fits Altidore and Gilberto better. A lot of defenders in this league get away with playing big and physical cause the technical capabilities of the strikers is low. The hold up man they are used to is a Connor Casey or a Leinhart or a Gordon. They can't handle the ball to feet guys.
    It's true; on the odd occasions that AZ scored after prolonged control and buildup in their opponents' end (they really were a run-and-gun side), Altidore did really well --and at RBNY -- with the turn-and-shoot from the top of the box. At Sunderland, he never even tried it. Never looked confident there, even when he had time and space.

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    Any approach that'll win us games.

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    I think a diamond 4-4-2 makes the most sense based on the current roster.

    ---------------Bendik------------------

    Bloom--Caldwell--Hagglund--Morrow

    ---------------Bradley-----------------

    Jackson------------------------Findley

    --------------Giovinco-----------------

    ------Gilberto----------Altidore-------

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    Does Findley have the defensive workrate and brain to play in that position? Need to get the diamond correct. Rather have someone more natural their.
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    Putting Findley in midfield is dumb. He's an out and out striker and that's about all he is
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    I have never seen Giovinco be effective playing behind 2 strikers. He is more of a striker than an AM. He has little defensive work rate. He has limited vision or at least the willingness to pass.

    He's been more effective as a winger for his entire career at Juve. He is good as a LW that cuts inside. But in MLS it's possible he could play centrally.

    If you want to use Gio and Jozy properly it would be in a 4-3-3.

    Giovinco-Altidore-_______.

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    If we loose Gilberto...
    Use Giovinco as a 2nd striker/winger and if MLS (as Twellmen has reported repeatedly) gets a 4th DP, go with a true CAM? Could become quite interesting come July. I hope we get to keep Gilberto but with the money we are throwing around this attack could become very dangerous.

    Certainly opens up a ton of options for us. Would also make some sense since we have Findley and Dike as all out strikers.

    edit- since Giovinco isn't a "true" CAM or "true" striker. I think he will do quite well in the CAM position in MLS tho.
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