If Gilberto has to be moved to accommodate the early arrival of Giovinco, I can live with that decision, as long as it's not within MLS. That would definitely come back to haunt us.
If Gilberto has to be moved to accommodate the early arrival of Giovinco, I can live with that decision, as long as it's not within MLS. That would definitely come back to haunt us.
Not sure why you'd say that, it's more of a feeder to Europe than Mexico is.Originally Posted by notthesun
I do like Moore and hope he can bag a few more goals this year, yes.
I like Gilberto because of his intelligent movement, he has both power and finesse. But, most significantly, he links up very well with the more talented players, plus, he clearly has a lot of skill with the ball in the box. I think that he and Altidore, with Giovinco playing to and off of them, could be one of the most lethal strike teams in the league this year. That trio also allows Bradley more skilled options to play off of and will bring out the best in our current crop of mediocre wingers. With only Altidore and Giovinco, I feel like our wingers will be under far more pressure to deliver quality crosses and through balls to only two targets which they may not be able to live up to. With Gilberto up there with Altidore and Giovinco, these 3 will probably bring out the best in the supporting cast as they can be the skilled nucleus and the focal point of the attack.
If we move Gilberto, I think we will be forced to bring in higher quality wingers and maybe even another striker as the season goes on to support Altidore and Giovinco properly anyway.
It's a bit backwards in the context of his career. I'd be skeptical right off the bat if I was a European club looking at a guy who moved abroad, failed, and immediately returned to where he was comfortable.
I'd actually love to see Giovinco in the attacking mid/playmaker role with Altidore and Hamilton up front. Hamilton is pacey and is no push over in terms of physical attributes. Something about a huge Altidore holding the ball up while J Hams and Giovinco run into space gets my blood pumping
I think it'd be detrimental to Hamilton's development to give him that big a responsibility right away. He was given that opportunity in Portugal and it didn't really turn out that well. I would much rather have him play for TFC 2, get called up for some Voyageur Cup games, and if he does well, put him on for 30 minutes every once in a while. You can't rush a younger player like that, or risk having them burn out.I'd actually love to see Giovinco in the attacking mid/playmaker role with Altidore and Hamilton up front. Hamilton is pacey and is no push over in terms of physical attributes. Something about a huge Altidore holding the ball up while J Hams and Giovinco run into space gets my blood pumping
Every year my head spins at the turnstile I call TFC off season. This year is, unfortunately, no different. Some might argue.....But we haven't lost 15 players - so this time is different. Maybe.
With the draft and other comings and goings - has anyone done the mathematics yet on where we stand on roster compliance, including international spots?
Maybe this should be it's own 2014 TFC Roster Compliance Discussion Thread.
Thanks in advance.
"Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports
Not counting the Lovitz dance, we are 8 in and 8 out. That 8 out figure makes us joint least out with LAG.
There are teams with less in then us. But, there will always be some turnover.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/transactions/2015
Thank you. That's a helpful link.
"Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports
Re the turnstile issue: can we bring Henry back in May on loan?
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.
does anybody know where Dike fits into all of this? I know its tough to come off the injury that he had, but the guy was poised to make the Nigerian WC team last year and that's nothing to sniff at......seems like he's just an afterthought in all these mock formations......
GK - Bendik - Bono - Konopka - Roberts
RB - Bloom - Charpie
RCB - Caldwell - Hagglund - Thomas
LCB - Perquis - Zavaleta - Simonin
LB - Morrow - Morgan
CDM - Creavalle - Delgado - Mannella
CM - Bradley - Warner
CAM - Giovinco - Osorio - Chapman - Aparicio
RW - Jackson - Findley - Oduro
ST - Altidore - Dike - Hamilton
LW - Moore - Lovitz
This is what our depth looks like to me right now. I'm assuming that Moore is going to be taking on a bigger role within the team if he's being re-upped by the FO so I put him at LW. Obviously there are players that are able to play multiple positions, but for the sake of simplicity I went with one player, one position.
Looking at it I think we really need a DM.
Just nitpicking, but I'd place Roberts above Konopka. Konopka is essentially a rental player here in case of injury.
Tbh I'd like to see Roberts get a shot some time this year.
I'd agree with you. They are selling that it's not complete rebuild but let's face it: they've replaced a very large chunk of the roster. This is not an example of working with what you've got; it's more like a house cleaning where the prided possession stays (Bradley) and a few other useful parts are kept while most items are tossed in the garbage.
We are returning a starting GK, 3 of 4 along the back line, 2 or 3 in the mid and potentially 1 up top.
This isn't a new team it's a team with a few pieces moved around and a coup upgrades pushing guys down the depth chart.
No.
See my linked article above.
I totally disagree re the Domi/Tucker comparison (although Toronto does have a penchant for that crap going back to Roger Neilson and his love of "honest" players like Jimmy Jones). Gilberto is appreciated as a guy with great skills who also happened to have a good work ethic ... that suggested to people that he would work his way into good form. And he did to the extent that we saw what we were hoping for ... and enough to think he might just have a fantastic year this year, especially with the new talent.
I can also see that moving Gilberto is defensible and it won't be the end of the world if we lose him, but I would love to see him alongside Altidore in front of Giovinco and Bradley.
Looking at that list the players that are out were not really starters last year. Jermaine Defoe and Doneil Henry were the only two that you could consider regular starters and we know the stories behind their departure which were valid and warranted. The rest are guys that started on the bench or didn't make the bench for some games. If you look at the players coming in they look much better on paper anyway because it looks like we added more guys with starter quality. Time will tell but I like what has been done. Always got to trim the fat a bit and fine tune in the offseason. I don't see this as being a big overhaul at all like some claim. Can't wait til they iron out Gilberto situation but I don't have a good feeling about that one and he will be a good size loss on the OUT column in that link.
18 for us. 20 for KC. So less transactions than an excellent team.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
From my calculations, our turnover is second lowest to Philly. That's based on how many players went out. We actually signed most players before the preseason. Teams like LA still need to fill in gaps.
Agreed, and Jackson was primarily used on the LW but I can't remember if that changed under Vanney. Also Moore is more of a box striker no?
Zavaleta interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-fnNtH_Co
He is well spoken and seems to have good perspective on where he's been and where he is now.
Hopefully his game is as mature as his interview skills.
Gilberto is gonzo.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/25...gins-this-weekWhether Major League Soccer provides its teams with a fourth Designated Player spot in 2015 is inconsequential. Gilberto will be moved for the right price, a well-placed source confirmed to the Sun, adding the Reds have multiple "good offers" for the Brazilian from outside MLS.
I have no problem with this. he never wanted to stay here long-term, we're just a stepping stone. We bought him with plans to sell at a profit.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I'm with Ensco on this one. DP money for a forward means you need to score.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
He has skill, but he came in with a "I'll score 25" attitude, was allegedly unfit, got almost immediately injured and then once back scuffed his first twenty or so chances.
I think he could easily be a 12-15 goals per year guy, but his inability to mask his feelings about Defoe and lack of progress in learning English all suggested he'd have ups and downs. He wasn't adjusting the way the successful south American guys generally have. It's always dangerous buying from the big three in S.A.; Tim Vickery has talked about the fact that there's a lot of entitlement that comes with first really big contract, and keeping their heads in producing can be difficult.
Regarding Gilberto's likely departure, it's also important to factor in the allocation we would receive, assuming he is sold as opposed to traded. Combined with his salary cap hit, we would probably gain 400-500K in additional money to spend, which could go a long way towards bolstering the roster.
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How does this work? Considering we paid a transfer fee for him is the allocation figure based off the net difference between what we bought him for and sold him at? Seems if it is just based on the total transfer fee to sell then it is an easy way for money teams to get allocation dollars. If off the net .... are we really going to get much more than $3.2M for him?
with all that money sign a DM and start playing sexy football allowign our attacking players to play
There's a cap on what you receive on a sold player anyways, much less than the $3.2M, so doesn't matter.
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