what i learned this week

[C.Ronaldo]

So i learned alot of interesting things this week from a pretty relaible source. I wont devludge it all out of respect, but most of it is confirmation of what we already know

nelson was no players coach. Pep talks were non existent.... Very negative. Tactics were also few and far between. Double practices in a single day were common as corrective measure. Defoe was not a fan as were few others.

Also TL had full intentions of staying full two years once his culture correction was in place. But board caught wind and asked him to leave at the contract minimum. TL is genuinely heart broken that Defoe didnt work out and that TFC took such a sudden dive.

And most importantly. Gilberto aint going nowhere. Let's hope that's true.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

most not surprising, surprised and happy to hear about Gilberto and the TL bit. Thanks for the insight

[jazzy]

So Bez was right in letting go off Nelson ......

[mowe]

So Bez was right in letting go off Nelson ......

No question. It was obvious he had no idea how to make adjustments and get the most out of his players. Jury still on Vanney though.

[burlington Red]

very sceptical when I see inside info from "sources", as it typically is a biased view from one particular viewpoint. A lot of the inside info leaking this season seems to be coming from the Tim's and their affialites.
Two sides to every argument.
Personally I see the Tim's trying to throw people under the bus, trying to save their own reps. Tim B brought in a new manager who failed ie not making play offs, yet here we are today not picking over his tactics etc, not picking over how we failed to sign a creative mid during the season, how none of our DP's had the seasons we envisaged they would have. The reason being leaked out today is that Defoe's mum ruined our season.
"Sources" make for headlines, that's all they do.

[Red4ever]

It's funny C.Ronaldo because I've heard the exact same thing about Timmy L and the exact opposite about Nelly. A lot of the guys didn't know why he was taking heat.

[Shakes McQueen]

It's funny C.Ronaldo because I've heard the exact same thing about Timmy L and the exact opposite about Nelly. A lot of the guys didn't know why he was taking heat.

It probably depends on which player you speak to, and when you spoke to them. I don't doubt that this source is real, but as with all anonymous sources, it becomes impossible to divine a motive, or how objective the account is.

[dutch]

I didnt get the second part, they asked him to leave because the big bloody defoe deal fell flat? every opinion is a biased opinion but when your dealing with a stonewall like TFC that lets little be known. its very appreciated

[jloome]

It's funny C.Ronaldo because I've heard the exact same thing about Timmy L and the exact opposite about Nelly. A lot of the guys didn't know why he was taking heat.

Yeah, but you have to admit he's been dead on before. His source is definitely inside TFC.

[dutch]

being a great player, you would think he would be a 'players coach' but in his career he may have been at some great clubs where the status quo was the coach will talk to you if he needs to. possibly..
he will end up assistant coach somewhere for a very long time I believe

[Red4ever]

Yeah, but you have to admit he's been dead on before. His source is definitely inside TFC.

Absolutely. I take it with a grain of salt, but can already see it being correct. If you speak with players / coaches . old/young, 1st year / 3+ plus around the organization, (as shakes said) everyone will put their opinion on it.

[OgtheDim]

being a great player, you would think he would be a 'players coach' but in his career he may have been at some great clubs where the status quo was the coach will talk to you if he needs to. possibly..
he will end up assistant coach somewhere for a very long time I believe

Nelsen should have done that first. He had offers, he stated at one point. Should go and do that for a long time. Then, if he has the bug to be the head honcho still, he can grab a position in Division 1 in England. Or then go and manage NZ, which I'm sure he'll do at some point in his career.

Just not here, in MLS.

[ensco]

The OP makes sense to me re Nelsen. Players were automatons when asked about Nelsen (I'm talking pre Aug 31). Plus he was a snake with Payne, everyone else moves on, but the room never does.

I think the TL part is probably a tiny fraction of his story. His sincerity isn't the issue. Where'd the "two years" come from? Never heard that before, it was always 5 years, until it wasn't.

[C.Ronaldo]

True. Everyome has their side of the story. In the end though we knew nelson wasnt the man for the job.

The insight to defoe was most intersting to me.

In the end TL got me a roof. That in itself would be a good start of it weren't for the shit shows before TL. TL also delayed season ticket sales and froze prices. I know he didn't have much choice...but it was still a decent gesture

[Lumpy]

In the end though we knew nelson wasnt the man for the job.

Ha. Who is we ??? You got what you wanted I guess. A 3rd place team that dropped down to 7th. A team that got 8 points out of a possible 27 so far and could end up getting 8 out of a possible 30. I would call that a disaster. As far as the complainer source you quoted I would have told him to stop your whining you should be having 3 practices a/day not 2.

[Ajax TFC]

Ha. Who is we ??? You got what you wanted I guess. A 3rd place team that dropped down to 7th. A team that got 8 points out of a possible 27 so far and could end up getting 8 out of a possible 30. I would call that a disaster. As far as the complainer source you quoted I would have told him to stop your whining you should be having 3 practices a/day not 2.

Lol that's rational. The team completely burned out because Nelsen was overworking them. It was obvious when Nelsen was here still that the team had burned out. The fact that Vanney hasn't been able to turn it around is probably a result of the fact that THE TEAM IS BURNT OUT. More practices and higher intensity practices doesn't improve the team; it wears them out. It's also a well known fact that Nelsen believed in full game simulations on Wednesdays whenever there was no midweek game. That means two games a week every single week. There's no team in the world that can sustain that without a high amount of rotation, which Nelsen didn't do

[Lumpy]

Lol that's rational. The team completely burned out because Nelsen was overworking them. It was obvious when Nelsen was here still that the team had burned out. The fact that Vanney hasn't been able to turn it around is probably a result of the fact that THE TEAM IS BURNT OUT. More practices and higher intensity practices doesn't improve the team; it wears them out. It's also a well known fact that Nelsen believed in full game simulations on Wednesdays whenever there was no midweek game. That means two games a week every single week. There's no team in the world that can sustain that without a high amount of rotation, which Nelsen didn't do

LOL X2 I see it now. That bastard tired them all out so that they stink worse now than they did before the firing. Sort of a jet-lag kinda of thing I guess. Wouldn't they be a little rested up after 7 weeks of easy practice days and polite conversation ???

[Fort York Redcoat]

True. Everyome has their side of the story. In the end though we knew nelson wasnt the man for the job.

The insight to defoe was most intersting to me.

In the end TL got me a roof. That in itself would be a good start of it weren't for the shit shows before TL. TL also delayed season ticket sales and froze prices. I know he didn't have much choice...but it was still a decent gesture

Ha. Who is we ??? You got what you wanted I guess. A 3rd place team that dropped down to 7th. A team that got 8 points out of a possible 27 so far and could end up getting 8 out of a possible 30. I would call that a disaster. As far as the complainer source you quoted I would have told him to stop your whining you should be having 3 practices a/day not 2.

Well to be fair Nelsen wasn't the man for the job because he's not here anymore. He MAY not have been a players coach but that doesn't mean there isn't a team that would have responded to his style of coaching. I have no issues with him outside of how the team failed to respond to his leadership.

I doubt that anyone is glad that the team nosedived after his departure.

[C.Ronaldo]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23...-drama-sources

larson's source sounds alot like the person I spoke to, the same day.

Wondering if this is a "play" by MLSE

[gdg_9]

So i learned alot of interesting things this week from a pretty relaible source. I wont devludge it all out of respect, but most of it is confirmation of what we already know

nelson was no players coach. Pep talks were non existent.... Very negative. Tactics were also few and far between. Double practices in a single day were common as corrective measure. Defoe was not a fan as were few others.

Also TL had full intentions of staying full two years once his culture correction was in place. But board caught wind and asked him to leave at the contract minimum. TL is genuinely heart broken that Defoe didnt work out and that TFC took such a sudden dive.

And most importantly. Gilberto aint going nowhere. Let's hope that's true.

very sceptical when I see inside info from "sources", as it typically is a biased view from one particular viewpoint. A lot of the inside info leaking this season seems to be coming from the Tim's and their affialites.
Two sides to every argument.
Personally I see the Tim's trying to throw people under the bus, trying to save their own reps. Tim B brought in a new manager who failed ie not making play offs, yet here we are today not picking over his tactics etc, not picking over how we failed to sign a creative mid during the season, how none of our DP's had the seasons we envisaged they would have. The reason being leaked out today is that Defoe's mum ruined our season.
"Sources" make for headlines, that's all they do.

It's funny C.Ronaldo because I've heard the exact same thing about Timmy L and the exact opposite about Nelly. A lot of the guys didn't know why he was taking heat.

A little late to this... but just to back C.Ronaldo, I was speaking to someone the night before Nelsen was fired who works directly with many of the players. They told me many of the players "can't stand" him.
This person has no reason for any specific agenda, besides being a fan of the team who happens to deal with several of the players on a non-soccer related topic.

Same person also hinted a while back that Defoe wouldn't last long, because his family didn't like it here and had already moved back to England.

[mook-life]

I don't get all this bullshit about high intensity practices and how it's burns players out you had a bad game coach made you simulate a game midweek before you played Saturday blah blah blah..... in the military we trained hard day in day out no matter how damn tired our asses were and we were always expected to perform. We never got half the the shit pro athletes get to keep them going we got water, food and a kick in the ass PERIOD. So as far as I am concerned it's all excuses

And Yea I know it's a crazy compariso but I can tell you these guys were and are in better shape than I was or will ever be

[JuliquE]

I don't get all this bullshit about high intensity practices and how it's burns players out you had a bad game coach made you simulate a game midweek before you played Saturday blah blah blah..... in the military we trained hard day in day out no matter how damn tired our asses were and we were always expected to perform. We never got half the the shit pro athletes get to keep them going we got water, food and a kick in the ass PERIOD. So as far as I am concerned it's all excuses

And Yea I know it's a crazy compariso but I can tell you these guys were and are in better shape than I was or will ever be

I would point to people like Dike as examples for how everyone's body is different; despite being a beast of a specimen, his body clearly can't take too much strain. That's where a more scientific approach would be especially important.

I feel like Nelsen's tactics required a lot of high-pressure defending, and speed. For him, running the players into the ground might have been how he prepared them for the fitness challenges such a game-plan presents. Got away with it, at the start, albeit not without our fair share of injuries.. only for it to catch us up, in the end.

This sort of militant, same standard for all, approach is what I think Nelsen subscribed to. Can't say I'll miss it, myself, if I'm honest, and, for me, it's been refreshing to hear the ideas Vanney has, as we look to join the modern era of football training. He touched on a few tools they've already started using, and alluded to there being a fair many more things to come.

[mook-life]

I would point to people like Dike as examples for how everyone's body is different; despite being a beast of a specimen, his body clearly can't take too much strain. That's where a more scientific approach would be especially important.

I feel like Nelsen's tactics required a lot of high-pressure defending, and speed. For him, running the players into the ground might have been how he prepared them for the fitness challenges such a game-plan presents. Got away with it, at the start, albeit not without our fair share of injuries.. only for it to catch us up, in the end.

This sort of militant, same standard for all, approach is what I think Nelsen subscribed to. Can't say I'll miss it, myself, if I'm honest, and, for me, it's been refreshing to hear the ideas Vanney has, as we look to join the modern era of football training. He touched on a few tools they've already started using, and alluded to there being a fair many more things to come.

I see where you're coming from with the whole we are all different excuse and we all react differently, but we were all different in the infantry and we all damn sure kept up and thass with making half the money and none of the sports science crap...

But I am biased and my views cannot be changed for me no matter what you must always perform especially when you are getting paid to do the job no excuses

And once again it's an extreme comparison iI just used, you can't really compare sissy pro athletes to Gung ho mofo's

[C.Ronaldo]

I see where you're coming from with the whole we are all different excuse and we all react differently, but we were all different in the infantry and we all damn sure kept up and thass with making half the money and none of the sports science crap...

But I am biased and my views cannot be changed for me no matter what you must always perform especially when you are getting paid to do the job no excuses

And once again it's an extreme comparison iI just used, you can't really compare sissy pro athletes to Gung ho mofo's

but whats to say that if they used science, you wouldnt have performed better? Its not about keeping up, its about about having a leg up on the opponent. For us that means more effcient runs, passes, shots, and less injuries.

as Gretzky said, skate to where the puck will be

[mook-life]

but whats to say that if they used science, you wouldnt have performed better? Its not about keeping up, its about about having a leg up on the opponent. For us that means more effcient runs, passes, shots, and less injuries.

as Gretzky said, skate to where the puck will be

I know we performed to the best of our abilities to avoid a beasting there is no holding back your lives depend on your training. You could also tell by the amount of puke piss and tears coming out of your body

[Canary10]

I heard from an internal contact Leiweke was spending money hand-over-fist and much of it unapproved. That's why he's leaving according to this person.

[C.Ronaldo]

I heard from an internal contact Leiweke was spending money hand-over-fist and much of it unapproved. That's why he's leaving according to this person.

unapproved spending would be grounds for firing....i highly doubt that was it.

[Canary10]

"Firing" a guy of that profile isn't simple. I believe what happened was a firing for all intents and purposes.

[C.Ronaldo]

I know we performed to the best of our abilities to avoid a beasting there is no holding back your lives depend on your training. You could also tell by the amount of puke piss and tears coming out of your body

thats true, but with stats you can prove it. Puke and piss is subjective.

Science found the benefits of electrolytes, proper nutrition, amino acids, etcc... Things like this can bring you to the next level, and sometimes the next level is .001 seconds.

[OfficeGuy]

unapproved spending would be grounds for firing....i highly doubt that was it.

I believe this - with all the saturation bombarding every avenue possible - so much more than in previous years
-->the gamble did not pay off tho - esp given the 2014 Season result - this would have to be repeated next season all over again

happens once - shame on me
happens twice - shame on you and you're fired