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Well put , sadly, I'll have to agree 100% , the only real answer left for us I guess and it seems many on this board have had this opinion for a while . But the only coach that will work is one that tells mgmt to butt out . Is there anyone crazy enough to want to live in Canada with huge media criticism, cold winters, AND of course MLSE to deal with.Originally Posted by denime
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How can you NOT love this guy.
Shout out to East York, man; used to live in Greektown, myself.
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Not giving up on this season, until it's over. Of course, it's not like I'm delusional about the odds, either.
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We have media criticism of TFC in Toronto?
No it's usually just media indifference and irrelevance but every now and then, like when we're close to something notable like the playoffs or another of our otherworldly failures, the media's questions generally border on embarrassing ignorance.
True. And the commentary on game telecasts by some not named Nigel are difficult to listen too.
You know, TFC is only 3 back of Vancouver in the race for the 2015 CCL birth.
I personally don't care about MLS playoffs anymore. Being in the 50% isn't an achievement and as others have suggested this team is far from being a top club (or Superclub) as some referred to it. I wouldn't expect the playoffs to last long if they do happen to squeak in.
Consider the irony though if they do manage to overtake Vancouver in the final picture. A team that basically quit on earning a CCL birth this year to focus on the MLS Playoffs might miss that but end up getting in the CCL?
I wonder if that would be the ironic spin on the season?
I want stability as much as the next guy.
But with Bez, he's part of the crew that promised playoffs. If he doesn't deliver, there is no confidence in him. You just can't let someone that has no credibility with anyone in charge of anything.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I consider him more of bean counter then find a player gm..the fact that he did not bring in any help at the deadline was a big fail for me and the fact that we were 3 players under the imports limit for most of the season was a huge fail.
I wonder if instability in the organization blinded Bez to the on-field needs of the team.
I don't get why we need a "capologist" - or whatever Leiweke called him - as a GM. Why not have a guy like that in your bean-counting department and have a really knowledgeable soccer guy in the GM position?
Larson indicated they tried to get a CD in. Vanney also indicated that bringing in a player at that position this late would be difficult for all.
The failure was in not getting a better second CD last January. This seems to have been a calculated bet that Henry would continue his upward curve in quality and become an MLS quality starting CD, which has not occurred. If we hadn't drafted Hagglund (who is not bad for a rookie CD), we'd be even worse at the back.
Bez had a good draft and got in some decent enough attacking players who are far more threatening then what we had before.
Morrow is the best player acquisition this year IMHO.
i.e. If we are going to judge Bez, it needs to be on his whole body of work.
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Obviously we are all forgetting about the massive hole the previous GMs (excluding Payne) put us in. Bez has such intimate knowlege of all the contracts in the MLS, huge asset to have a guy like that fitting things together. There are a lot of coaches who were working on getting player ideas and contacts made, it is up to Bez to make them fit. TFC switched to a collectively run team on player aquisition, decisions are made by committee now. Someone to oversee and ensure we can fit the players into the team is essential.
If we change that structure then a capologist might not be needed. I do think that the MLS is overly complex with its hidden funds and contract complications though.
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I agree with you. To clarify, when I say CM I mean as a two way, box to box mid, not an AM or a DM. I agree with you that he does not have enough to me an effective AM. He is not good enough defensively or physical enough to be a DM, and even to be a better two way player he needs more in terms of physicality. As an AM he has some vision and passing but not enough of anything else ( pace, attacking aggressiveness, inventiveness, shot, dribbling skills)) to be an effective as an AM. When he is on the pitch he is a very neutral, he is not so ineffective to be a liability but he does not rely influence the game either, which to me means he should be a bench player at best. He is someone you can bring on when you need a midfield body because he will not fuck up. Bekker I see in a similar fashion but a step bellow.
Henry can be overaggressive but other then that he has the makings of a great cb. In some ways if we had someone who could mentor them and protect them I would like to see Hagland and him be allowed to play and become and effective pairing.
The season was lost when we fired Nelson. Immediately after the firing we were shutout twice by Philadelphia. Those losses against a weak team may ultimately be the deciding factors in why we missed the playoffs. Vanney and management promised attacking football but we have been shutout in 4 of Vanney's first 7 games. Nelson was shutout in only 4 of his 21 games. Do the math. The attacking football line was bought by some of us because it sounded exciting versus the rather boring plodding football under Nelson. Crank up the time machine and let us go back to the day of the firing and have Bez swallow his pride and we would now be in a playoff position.
You do remember that 3-0 loss to NER and how clueless the team was, right?
Was going nowhere.
Had been found out tactically.
If he hadn't been fired then, he would have been fired after we lost twice to Philly.
The season was lost before it started. None of our non-DPs would be a starter on a playoff team. Not one.
Really, no team wins the wooden spoon by ten points, and then makes the playoffs. Even by spending $100M. It's only Leiweke with his stupid guarantee that expects otherwise. I was hopeful, it was fun to cheer for a winning team midseason, but in the end, no dice. Face it, in lots of those wins we were lucky, many of us knew it, it caught up to us.
I appreciate that the team gave us some hope this year, that was great. I really like quite a few of our players, we have some great depth guys.
I expect that the team will get killed tonight by NY, and it' s OK.
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Agreed. Surprising he has vanished. I like Hagglund, he has great potential, but Henry is further ahead IMHO
Nelsen was fired for telling Bez to butt out. That's what "lost a power struggle" means. Like his coaching skill or not, he clearly knows the game and felt he should have the final call on who should play, acquisitions, etc.
Bingo bingo bingo bingo
I dunno Ensco, Morrow for one, and to be fair even playoff teams have players with limited skill sets - they hide them. It's why LA has always been beatable if you attack them - they are hiding some weaknesses at the back.
I think the big issue is that we haven't been able to figure out how to use Bradley. As skilled as he is (and I love his toughness) we played our best team football in some ways when he was away at the World Cup. Certainly, we have struggled afterwards, and haven't been able to find the right players to play with him or the right role for him either. And he was culpable on all three goals against New England. I actually think Bradley Orr might have been the best player on the roster to sit deep in front of the back four and play with MB. Certainly would not have to worry about him getting caught up the field....
Funny you should say that, as I always felt the same way; seems like the two balance each other out, even: Henry being a bit of a loose cannon (mind, he's mellowed out/matured a fair bit) & Hagglund, the happy-go-lucky beast.
I disagree, here; as ensco has said, we were quite lucky to escape with wins, on a fair many occasions.. and, whilst I think it's still worth noting that we got the result, it's always a risk that sort of play get's found out and catches us up. Further to this point, I think it's worth highlighting that you can have a high-scoring game that's not played in an attacking fashion, versus a nil-nil game that's end to end. Those being the two extremes, I think you can look at our attempted shots for a good read on this; just because we were clinical and nicked our 1/2 of relatively few chances in a game, doesn't mean we play an attacking brand of football.
I'm not all the way sold on Vanney, either, and I keep saying that I desperately wanted Nelsen to make a name for himself, here.. but, I think that the former has a bit more about his approach to suggest he's got a higher ceiling. I don't think Nelsen should have been fired when he was, to be clear; it was either at the end of last season, when we decided to commit to a $$$ approach, or once we were mathematically out of the playoffs. Having said that, Nelsen doesn't cover himself in glory, with all his excuses (the GM saying it needs to be better, after a couple poor performances, should not be a problem).
I agree with the post, except for where you say none of our non-DP players would start for a playoff side. When more than half the teams make playoffs, surely some of them will have a few weaker players. Perhaps on a side like LA or Seattle, but even they have one or two limited players.
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bingo bingo bingo bingo
Nelsen squandered all the games in hand and was tactically found out, but he didn't adjust. Just kept rolling out the same lineup and hope his players win through individual skill pretty much. TFC was the most predictable team to play against. And it's not like TFC is so stacked that we can overrun every team with sheer player talent. If insanity is keep doing the same thing but expect to get different results everytime...
Nelsen might have been fired when TFC was 3rd in the East, but TFC was just 3 points above the 6th place team at the time.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I have given up on time machines. Mighty hand Lumpy please be careful when time travelling. I've seen that meeting oneself in the past can cause rifts and its one kind of blowup we don't need ever.
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LOL. We like it back here.....I have given up on time machines. Mighty hand Lumpy please be careful when time travelling. I've seen that meeting oneself in the past can cause rifts and its one kind of blowup we don't need ever.
I wonder what the expiry date is on that contract knowledge? It's gotta be good for a few years but I wonder if it goes beyond that.
Hyperbole.
Morrow and Osorio would for sure. Jackson, Bloom, Caldwell, and Oduro probably. Bekker would start on half the teams in this league.
Disagree about every name on that list ex Morrow. Pretty violently in some cases.
I think Creavalle and Morrow are maybe starters for good teams. Maybe Warner too. But they're all maybes.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Morrow is a starter on most MLS teams. I can't think of many who are significantly better than Morrow. he's just as good as most starting LBs in MLS, if not better
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Predicting it now. We tie the Red Bull, beat Montreal and lose to New England. That loss to Houston was the season. Maybe we pull a tie out in new england, but only if they are resting players for the playoffs. For me, them and DC are the best in the east by a bit.
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