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His denials were pretty emphatic and comprehensive, though it still seemed like all info pointed to him wanting out. Maybe they'll work a deal for him to stay for at least another year, but go on loan in the offseason so he can go play for Redknapp?Originally Posted by ensco
I dunno. Frankly, part of me doesn't care any more. Like you said - if he wants out, he'll get out.
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Haven't watched the presser yet (thanks for the updates though), but still have a few thoughts on what I'm hearing.
*Almost no-one in England comes out and says they want to go. It's either radio silence, or totally commited the cause. Then boom, they are gone. Standard procedure, I don't read anything into it. I remember when Ronaldo spent two seasons saying he wasn't going anywhere, but the move to Madrid was already in place.
*QPR's situation has changed since the window, and they are staring down the barrel of relegation to the conference if they do not pay of a large chunk of debt. It is possible that Defoe is now looking at a loan instead of transfer there as a result of that.
Finally, I really don't care about the rumors or drama this stage. He's back, he is a TFC player, and a damn good one. As long as he gives it is all for the rest of the season I will be happy. And then whatever happens in the offseason happens.
I'm in the same boat. He's plays for TFC now, so I'll support him until the day he leaves.
I think the genesis doesn't matter too much. Whether it's him or them that got the ball rolling he's willing to leave. Hanging out in London for weeks in a cloak of silence doesn't look particularly favourable either for someone who claims he's still 100% behind what's going on here.
But whatever. We need him to make the playoffs, I think that's pretty clear.
Agreed. I mean, what else can he say for the time being? "Yeah I really wanted that move to London, but it's not on til January!" He'd get savaged in the press until he leaves. One of those cliches in professional sports, we expect everyone to put on their happy face for the press and keep it all behind closed doors. Real, honest, interviews on high stakes stuff like this are rare and make too much noise (eg: Leiweke at Ryerson being too candid).
I don't care. He's good, but there are others. For the time being he can buckle up and help is make the post season.
English players rarely talk to the press.
This press conference would be unheard of in the UK.
The day to profess undying love for TFC was Sep 2. That's how they do it.
The fact that he didn't for 3 weeks thereafter, well, if it seems "normal" to you, to each his own. Nobody can say for sure. I say he was pissed, he had a deal, and someone reneged.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
There are a number of indications that Defoe has been surprised how much he has to talk to the media here.
And if anybody has seen a press conference like this, where somebody like, oh I don't know Suarez, for example, have to sit there expressly for the purpose of taking questions from a bunch of reporters about whether he is staying or going, that would be cool to know.
To be fair he did tweet out support for the team Sep 6. That's about as much as he could do considering he was in England at the time. Unless you think he should've called in a press conference from London to address transfer rumours...
In today's age I don't think the limited direct access the media has to the players has much relevancy. Especially when we're comparing cutthroat European Soccer Tabloids desire for information compared to a timid group of Toronto reporters, who rarely ask a real question.
If Luis Suarez flew to Barcelona in the middle of last years transfer window while being linked to a certain local club, you would bet people would be beating down his door looking for a statement, tweet, or some kind of comment. It's be a hell of a lot more ugly than that press conference, that's for sure. Marca would probably have people stalking him 24-7
doesn't take much to give a phone interview.
hell, even Vanney had trouble getting hold of Defoe for whatever reason. if your boss has trouble getting hold of you... something's up
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I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
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Didnt SkySports Deadline Day have Redknapp on who said they agreed personal terms with the player[Defoe] but not the club [TFC]?
EDIT - Sorry it was Tony Fernandes, the QPR owner and chairman, I forget.
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Maybe he didn't feel the need to give a phone interview just for transfer speculation that happens every window. Maybe to him it was just something normal that he didn't need to go out of his way to clear up.
Sure Vanney not being able to reach him isn't a good sign, but sometimes shit happens and you miss some calls. It doesn't have to mean Defoe was sulking in England with Vanney desperately leaving voicemails. Can't read into every little thing.
Becauee owners have never been caught making up stories to show there trying to do something to keep a fan base happy.
I am baffled by the way you and the moderator treat my comments. Is it the rule on the boards that statements from RPB bosses are not allowed to be questioned? And, just to be clear, I don't believe they sat down and gave you a presentation, that's not how it's done, unless you are unsophisticated. And MLSE isn't that.
You shouldn't be moderating if you are going to take that kind of approach to reasonable comments. Your point is remarkably nonsensical, Ill judged and not based on facts, at least not on the observable facts on the pitch, but I can't say that because you are the moderator, even though you attack me personally.
Go ahead, drink the MLSE kool aid. They know far more about football, as do you, than people like Alex Ferguson, who preach stability. Very very few clubs succeed with constant manager turnover, unless you have the wealth of Chelsea.
firing Nelsen before the season is not the same as firing him with a few games left. Surely you recognize that. And If you think the team has been anything but inept under Vanney, you must have missed the games. I hope Vanney succeeds and is the coach for years, but that isn't the evidence before us.
interesting, and more consistent with the results and the play. Something definitely happened then.
well, the Moderator did say my comments were ridiculous. Not really for him to say.
objective fact: Nelsen was the coach. We were in third. There you go.
he hasn't been at training under Vanney. Spin, spin, spin.
I am actually gobsmacked that their are people out there who find Defoe's performance today credible. This "the culture of talking to the press is different here" line is beyond belief.
That was a total farce. I mean it doesn't really matter, but holy smokes, I hate it when people treat me like I just fell off the turnip truck, I don't start making excuses for it.
Hope he scores 10 goals before he leaves. No need for any more public statements from him.
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You can question all you want. It's a discussion board and having different views than others encourages discussion. As for all this stuff about moderators,they are allowed and encouraged to join the debate. When doing so we ask that they don't moderate the thread they are engaging in. So you will notice they don't dangle that in front of you. I would appreciate that you don't hide behind it.
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If I recall correctly he was saying that he had spoken to some teammates who told him that, and he commented that it was good.
Phil, I truly don't get why you and the moderator have to take personal digs every time you respond to my posts. But perhaps you are right, I should move on and not post anymore about Nelsen is a thread entitled "Nelsen out".
Yep people claiming spin while putting there own spin on the comments. Its amazing what happens when you listen to the player.
I don't know how many times I can tell you to post and believe what you want...and to feel free to discuss it here. My moderator comment was in response to you directly calling out the integrity of the mods. I gave you a quick run down that the mod title does not inhibit their engagement and we have accountability in place. I just saw a number of posts bringing up moderators and questioning it and I asked you please not use that as a defence mechanism going forward.
It's getting way off topic now let's be done with this back and forth please.
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He was carefully avoiding lying until he talked about his hernia. But he was being very careful in what he said, as well; he said a team came in for him; he never said he would have turned it down. He's coming from a culture where players are never fully straight about this stuff and have little compunction in setting the stage they'd like.
I got the sense he's committed to the rest of this season and the playoffs, which again is what he talked about; that doesn't mean he won't be gone in January if he'd prefer to live in London and play in the Premiership.
He's not taking personal digs. He's just stating a direct fact, which is that he doesn't want the argument of mods being unfair repeatedly brought up when they aren't do so.
People disagreeing with you, even vehemently, does not constitute attacking you dude. YOu've said lots of things on here over the last few months that I've agreed with, too. This issue just isn't one.
"the business of business is 'business'".....basically Defoe had some cleanup work to do and thats all there was to it....
You realize that Phil as the head of a supporters group gets private meetings with the club all the time? These are not the PR "spin" meetings that ordinary schmucks like you or I would be invited to.
Fort York is not moderating this thread because he is involved in the discussion, so it is inappropriate to keep pointing out his moderator status, he isn't one for the purpose of this thread.
As a currently non-involved moderator (except to moderate the situation), I need to draw your attention to the board rules that you read when you signed up. Attacks on the moderator team is a bannable offense. If you have a problem with how a moderator is "moderating," you need to take it offline and PM another moderator, or Phil or Wagner, not throw it out on the board. Now please go back on topic.
Doesn't really matter what he said in the press conference. Truth or not he really couldn't say anything other than what was said.
What matters is what is said behind the scenes.
Based on QPR public quotes about him wanting to leave and TL saying he doesn't think he will be back in January and the infamous get the hell out... It's pretty clear that a lot has been said behind the scenes.
The only question is whether there is a handshake agreement between the buyers and sellers. In which case, I suspect Defoe's injury will be closely monitored and he may not see much action at all. Each side will want to guard against losing what they all have agreed to.
If it's all up in the air and no understanding has been reached then he may play more.
All that is left to do is wait and see
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