i hope he keep his evolution and help us and give us very hapiness.
but he seems like he was born in lazy town.
i hope he will is better in the future and improve his weakness
i hope he keep his evolution and help us and give us very hapiness.
but he seems like he was born in lazy town.
i hope he will is better in the future and improve his weakness
I wouldn't worry about Xibonda's comments about Jordan being lazy. Its to be expected when you are used to a higher level of skill and physical ability, the Portuguese 2nd division is still out of reach for a lot of MLS players. You cant really say he isn't fit considering he was starting every game at Wilmington, this a big physical adjustment from the USL Pro league for him.
I have to agree that this is more of a wakeup call for Jordan, he is mostly there to understand what it means to be a pro in EU and in a competitive environment that isn't reproducible in North America.
Last edited by Richard; 08-16-2014 at 11:56 AM.
He wasn't starting every game at Wilmington, far from it. Samuel Ochoa was the main forward, Hamilton was often used as a sub and fitness could very well be an issue.Originally Posted by Richard
Hello all, I am an old fitness coach of Jordan from his Provincial team days and am good friends with the trainers at TFCA. He is actually (usually) the most fit. He's won every beep test, speed test and jump test that I've been apart of and I can also say the same from keeping tabs on him in the Academy through former colleagues. He has a very non-chalant style about him, often confused for laziness.
Fun fact: Jordan is the city wide cross-country and track and field champion throughout middle school and high school and I believe he still holds some records.
Just thought I'd defend the kid a little as none of you probably know him on a personal level.
There you go, right from the horses mouth.
Thanks for sharing.
man, i believe he is this all in north america, but here, in europe he don't win a physical confront, a speed confront and his agressivity index are very low. though, he is in adaptation phase and i have absolutely certainly he will improve.
Not when you're a no. 9. I'm sure Eder and Jackson Martinez would disagree with you.
about what?
jackson is world class and eder a very good player.
Both Martinez and Eder are physical and aggressive at centre-forwards who play up top usually by themselves. Physicality is a requirement (most certainly at no.9 and centre-half) in Europe unless you're Barcelona.
but that's what i'm saying. at this momento jordan hasn't that atributes but i think that this is a great oportunity for him to improve that aspects.
the level of euro snob in this post is unusually high. You say 2nd div in Portugal out of reach for a lot of MLS players. really?
http://comparetheleagues.com/europea...ond-divisions/
a league that has an average attendance of 910 per game? 910?
wow - they must be able to really pay the big bucks to hold onto all that talent.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/view/1012-37
nope - average wages in Portugal is 2500 euro per month. 30k per year or $40k ( in fairness to my level of snarkiness, I was shocked it was this high. moving on...)
the middle pay check of all 557 MLS players is US$75,000 http://www.sounderatheart.com/2013/5...rts-and-tables
median is the player in the middle, mister 278, and his compensation.
so, those "higher skill level and fitter" 2nd div Portuguese players are just cheap, under paid talents that would rip up MLS if they could only be noticed? really?
so, why would a 2nd div. Portuguese team reach out for a third div. player ( he was playing in USL Pro) in north America? SURELY there is an abundance of local players who speak the language that would fit in with so much more talent. no - that league is no where as good as you fantasize.
will Hamilton adjust? we shall see. But, you really need to get over your fawning on a clearly incorrect stance of where leagues rank.
not that I have any strong opinions on topics like these....
Technique, maybe, but if you think European players are in some way fitter than over here, you're not exhibiting much knowledge of professionalism over here. Fredy Montero is a top striker in the Portugese first division but he was more of a playermaker here; it's a different type of football and that's partly because players learn technique and reading the game later, but don't kid yourself that they're not as fit as in Europe. That's just silly.
speaking of Montero, the guy is on a horrid streak, i don't think he has scored since last December ( including preseason).....been reading some comments from Sporting fans and patience is starting to wear thin, would not be surprised if he eventually returns to MLS.
Portugal's second division is a big step up from USL Pro but it is still a long way from MLS. If (big if) he has some success in that league, he will still have a long road ahead of him to get into an MLS squad like Toronto FC.
I meant USL Pro instead of MLS because that's the league Hamilton was playing in, I mentioned in the next line it was an adjustment going from USL to the 2nd division.
I didn't reread that sentence and change that. Sorry.
I'm going to disagree somewhat about salaries though. Some players would take less money if they are playing consistently and are in an environment where they can potentially be scouted by big clubs easily, even though they compete with a lot more players, they still might think that because they are closer to home they would be easier to discover.
I don't agree with that mentality entirely. You still see lots of young players here in Canada go to Europe, but sometimes it would be probably be better if they stayed closer to home than get burned out. Those already in that environment though would rather not leave because they think its another world where soccer doesn't exist. MLS still has to get over that stigma that players wont be discovered here.
Last edited by Richard; 08-18-2014 at 05:23 PM.
business,marketing. like other players we have and had. colombia, ghana, belgium, ecuador, spaniard. we were the only team in portugal with ecuador's player to years ago. in portugal the soccer is a market very influenced by businessmen
montero here isn't a top striker, he don't score for 9 months. he plays as a striker who plays with his back to the goal, with good touch on the ball and engages the team in the game, not a striker to score goals .
Why the fuck are we getting so defensive about Jordan Hamilton? We need updates, we're getting them along with some opinion on how he looks on the pitch. The kid is young, he's not going to be perfect, and knowing his potential weaknesses from criticism is going to be useful going forward for him.
You know what doesn't help? Telling the critics to go fuck off because he's our boy, their league sucks and gets no attendance and has low salaries (what kind of a shit argument is this anyways for the quality of a league?), and things are different here vs there so it's alright.
Players go to Europe for the European style training. Even low tier teams not sitting behind a mound of cash like more fortunate teams such as ours can potentially have coaches and trainers who have experienced it at the higher level, or who have been shown the ropes by those at a higher level. Can you honestly say you can get that here, at every team? Even just seeing how training works in a different continent with a different mindset towards the game can improve your knowledge.
Thank you for the updates Xibonda.
Last edited by Fushida; 08-19-2014 at 09:39 AM.
Yeah, dont overreact to a reasonably polite discussion or anything...,
did you have speed for breakfast or something? Nobody told the guy to fuck off; we're just arguing euro snobbery about his fitness, which the guy callings our player 'fat and lazy' seems to display in abundance. If anything he's being argumentative and immature by ignoring the content of responses that don't match his preconception of N A soccer players.
JH scored Wilmington's first home goal off the season, and he has been tucking away game winning and tying goals all season. Has anyone noticed that since he left they ain't won a single game?
yep, those typos get me too. agreed on the usl pro level. And you hit on a development issue that is relevant-his ability to perform during a significant change speaks very much to his mental situation and other nonphysical measures that are so hard to determine. He has gone from living at home with his parents to the equivalent of a dormitory at school to who knows what in Portugal. He is being put to the test. Giving your hometown a discount could also be interpreted as a bit of lack of ambition, depending on the individual. I am impressed with his desire to take this on.
I think Xibonda brings up a very important topic when he mentions the business reasons behind the move. TFC Academy primary goal is to develop players for the first team. The vast majority don't make it and go to college, several have turned pro but still not made the TFC first team. But the holy Grail is the poster player that signs a professional contract with TFC and then ultimately goes to Europe. It just hasn't been done until now and from a marketing perspective, it puts the TFC Academy in an improved competitive environment against local private academies like Sigma in attracting quality youth players.
it is a global market for players. Leagues pay for talent at the level they can. A league that pays more has more resources for everything else like training, coaches, medical, academies. If you think that there is a negative correlation between player pay and player quality than you are indeed a special snowflake.
Note: just for you, http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/...orrelation.asp
hi guy, in our team we have a european champion with Porto and other player who played in champions league. this last guy is top class, hélder sousa.
toronto have 2500000 population and 19000 in stadium, it's like 0,75%
trofa have 40000 population and 700 in stadium, it's like 1,75%
toronto fc was founded in 2006, cd trofense in 1930!
Hold up, he being supposedly European and calling JH fat and lazy makes him a euro snob? How does his perception of an individual player's fitness and work ethic equate to a generalization of NA players? The only time I can imagine you being so riled up over his comment is when he replied to JH's coach. If that's the case, then really? He's saying there's a difference in quality between the Canadian provincial level and the USL PRO versus the Portuguese 2nd Div. Not hard to believe. None of his statements appear to be argumentative OR immature, while you're the one being uber defensive over a simple comment. I also like the added touches attacking me, that's real sweet.
Well first of all you constructed a nice strawman to attack, I applaud you. If you bothered reading the very next paragraph in my post you'd have possibly understood what I was getting at. I'm not going to argue that MLS is below the quality of the Portuguese 2nd League, because I don't agree with that statement much like you. I had a problem with how you came to that conclusion that using salary and league wealth rather than the quality of training, coaching, play, and where the top players end up. Sure you make the point that money pays for these things, but money pays for a lot of things at the highest level when it involves bringing in international talent. You're skipping a middle tier that doesn't necessarily command a high enough salary to justify moving to another country/continent, but are of higher level than what can be produced locally. Does the average team coach from NASL or USL Pro have exposure to top level training from Europe? This, in comparison with coaches in lower leagues of Europe who may very well have experienced this in their youth but simply can't command a reasonable position over here.
Just a little question for you though: Do you think MLS is higher quality than the domestic leagues of Belgium, Switzerland, or even Japan? We sure as hell have a lot more money than they do.
what i said is the true, he don't press the opposing defense and he can't win in speed or strenght to the other players. is the true!
all the people who see the game said the same thing. he seems like out of fitness.
sorry if you took my previous words wrong
What does this page have to do with JH's progress? Only on RPB forums can a thread about a promising talented Canadian/TFC player be completely turned into a bashfest about nations and politics...
Looks like Trofense have a Cup game today. LiveScore says the game should be at 12:00 midday EST. Will there be a stream? I assume there is less chance for a stream because this is a cup game.
Don't listen to the naysayers, I really appreciate your perspective and it would be too bad if you discontinued posting.
just live score, no live stream available. i always put this type of info in my twitter, follow me: https://twitter.com/trofense1930
thanks
Last edited by xibonda; 08-20-2014 at 10:57 AM.
No prob.
Oddly enough, there is a cup game being streamed... if anyone wants to check out Pedro Pacheco and Santa Clara (that's where he plays, right?)
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.ph...pline=football
Xibonda, what's your thoughts on Pedro?
i don't know much things about him, but i know he is a very important player for his team.
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