That was the case with Laba as he also had the transfer fee factored into his cap his.Originally Posted by Auzzy
That was the case with Laba as he also had the transfer fee factored into his cap his.
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Here's the page showing the players that count as Generation Adidas / Home Grown Players for 2014
http://www.adidas.com/us/content/generationadidas
For TFC, it shows just Hamilton and Morgan.
My calculation is correct - I noted that without the DPs, the amount was $2,404,267. Add the cap hits for DPs ($368,750 x 3 = 1,106,250). add that to my number and you end up at $3,510,517, or as you said, $3.5M.
I didn't add the DPs as I wasn't sure what the cap hit was this year, and of Gilberto's age (young DP or not - he's 24 so not). If we really wanted to get into the nitty gritty, as KGH noted above, there are HG and players 21-30 that need to be excluded as well.
i'm pretty sure that lists all the past and current GA with the team
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
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Allocation. Sweet, delicious allocation. Coming in last allocation, Silva trade allocation, minus the Hagglund draft spot jump allocation.
We could have a few $100,000 still left. Or nothing... that's the beauty of MLS. I can come up with a number and no one can dispute it!
Nope.
It specifically says "2014 generation adidas players" at the top of the list.
So using Base Salary figures, and with Morgan and Hamilton as Non-Budget Players, I have TFC's Cap Hit at $3,218,613.
This puts them $118,613 over the cap.
However, it doesn't include allocation, which I'm sure they got a fair chunk of for finishing so low last season.
I could also see MLS throwing them some allocation relief for Dike's pre-season injury (his salary is still included in the Cap Hit above).
IIRC, we are likely also eating part of Ecks salary (Mariner you tool). Allocation I assume.
Salary or cap space? No problem with salary. Not my money. Cap space is another story.
Omar Gonzalez at 1 mil + as GA?
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
As far as TFC is concerned...Overall, very reasonable in terms of value for the dollar in relative terms, and a far cry from the salary debacles of years past.
I guess?
Just reading what it says... but really, who knows exactly what to believe when it comes to anything salary related in MLS.
(and really, would it be that surprising for MLS to allow LAG that kind of loophole?)
Last edited by gdg_9; 04-10-2014 at 01:22 PM.
Since we only have 27 people on our roster, I assume we are leaving roster spots 19 and 20 free. Only the top 18 nonGA players will count.
I'm fine with all those numbers, except Hamilton, Jackson, and Rey. For me, they're making 30,70, and 50 respectively too much in relation to other players in the league.
On budget:
1) Bradley Michael M $ 6,000,000.00 $ 6,500,000.00 (cap hit: $ 387,500)
2) Defoe Jermain F $ 6,000,000.00 $ 6,180,000.00 (cap hit: $ 387,500)
3) Junior Gilberto F $ 1,145,000.00 $ 1,205,000.00 (cap hit: $ 387,500)
4) Caldwell Steven D $ 325,000.00 $ 364,166.67
5) Cesar Julio GK $ 192,000.00 $ 202,000.00
6) Rey Alvaro F $ 180,000.00 $ 204,450.00
7) Morrow Justin D $ 160,000.00 $ 169,562.50
8) Goncalves Jackson D $ 150,000.00 $ 202,500.00
9) Bendik Joe GK $ 140,000.00 $ 147,375.00
10) DeRosario Dwayne M $ 137,000.00 $ 173,000.00
11) Osorio Jonathan M $ 135,000.00 $ 142,599.68
12) Hall Jeremy D $ 105,000.00 $ 115,000.00
13) Nakajima-Farran Issey M $ 90,000.00 $ 110,000.00
14) Morgan Ashtone D $ 80,000.00 $ 92,000.00
15) Henry Doneil D $ 75,000.00 $ 87,083.33
16) Orr Bradley D $ 75,000.00 $ 75,000.00
17) Wiedeman Andrew F $ 60,500.00 $ 70,500.00
18) Dike Bright F $ 60,637.50 $ 63,575.00
19) Konopka Chris GK $ 60,000.00 $ 60,000.00
20) Bekker Kyle M $ 51,150.00 $ 77,400.00
Total base: $ 3,238,787
Without Henry/Morgan: $ 3,083,787
Off budget:
21)
22)
23) Hamilton Jordan F $ 60,000.00 $ 72,500.00
24) Agbossoumonde Gale D $ 48,825.00 $ 55,491.67
25) Bloom Mark D $ 48,825.00 $ 48,825.00
26) Roberts Quillan GK $ 48,825.00 $ 48,825.00
27) Aparicio Manuel M $ 48,500.00 $ 48,500.00
28) Hagglund Nick D $ 48,500.00 $ 48,500.00
29) Richter Ryan F $ 48,500.00 $ 48,500.00
30) Lovitz Daniel M $ 36,504.00 $ 36,504.00
We have two off-budget spots open so if we sign someone (who will likely not be a minimum salary) they'll push our lowest on-budget player down. Unless those spots are already occupied by Henry/Morgan. In fact, since the rules state you can have as low as 18 on-budget players I'd bet we do have those two on-budget spots open for a trialist or someone.
In any case, we look to be right at the cap without factoring in any allocation. Assuming we have at least a couple hundred thousand in allocation we should still be able to sign a decent player or two.
Pretty sure we also spunked a bunch of allocation to get both morrow and Jackson. I doubt either of them came cheap.
Isn't the cap $3.1 this year?
We stocked up on allocation for a while, plus the bonuses for sucking etc. I think we should likely still have quite a bit of room.
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That GA list also lists Frei for Seattle... he's on at least his 3rd contract in the league? No way he's still a GA player under league rules.
Pretty pleased with our salaries overall. Bez has done good work. Hall will be moved at some point so I'm not too concerned there, and I wonder if Caldwell might be brought down a bit next year (he was only on 90k last year, probably necessary to fit him under the cap, and now he's gotten a big boost, so maybe he'll drop a bit next year). Julio Cesar's cap hit is almost criminal, tip of the hat to Bez and Nelsen there.
Great value of out Osorio, Henry and Bloom.
The answer is neither.
The numbers are published by the Player's Association not the league. They publish them for agents and players to get a sense of contract values. Guaranteed numbers also include things like agent fees, etc.
Can't think of it like the NHL. Whatever the players earns in a season is what the league assigns as their budget charge.
The closest number that "counts" is the base number.
Here is the important rule that needs to be taken in to account. "Clubs have the option of “buying down” the budget charge of a Designated Player with allocation money. The reduced charge may not be less than $150,000" What this means is that each D.P. could be costing us only $150,000 towards the cap if the maximum was used. This would take off up to $237,500 per D.P. which theoretically could reduce their total cost by up to $712,500. I assume we used some of the allocation money to allow us to meet the cap.
Is Reo-Coker a DP because that would make Laba the 4th DP on their team.
Jeremy Hall is the man to be shown the door in order to bring someone else in at a decent salary.
That was one of my thoughts too when looking at the list...
I agree that it's time for Hall to go. He was decent depth last season, but this season, TFC needs more from depth DM and Hall isn't good enough anymore.
However, expansion draft is end of the year, and Hall makes a good bait for NYCFC and Orlando to pick up as one of their picks.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
Shouldn't Osorio be counted as a home grown player? I thought he came out of the academy last year. Morgan was signed long before and he still counts as home grown.
He might be ineligible as a HG because he played on the Canada U20 squad in 2011 before he was signed. ( I seem to recall that they can't.. but I can't recall where I read that, or when... so I could be wrong)
Osorio is a Homegrown player but if the rules for the expansion draft are the same as last time, HG players are only automatically protected if they are in roster slots 21-30 (off-budget players). Given Osorio's raise this is no longer the case I think.
Why Is Hamilton making so much more money is his first year contract then the other like Aparcio? Maybe he had options in europe?
Thats a solid deal for the kid, like holly crap, Bloom makes less then him..
And Osorio got quite the bump up in compensation from his first year..
Last edited by mcolvy; 04-10-2014 at 08:11 PM.
Bendik is overpaid. That pissed me off. One good year and he gets to more than double his salary and make solid money. Ridiculous in my opinion. Way too much money, he isnt even that good.
Just weird we have two goalies eating up along 400,000
Glad to see Osorio got a bit of a wage increase. To me, all signs point to a cap increase in next CBA, only question is how much?
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