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    Quote Originally Posted by Supporting View Post
    how much does an mls team get for each tv viewer watching their games? and would colubus split the money with toronto for the last game?
    MLS makes deals with national carriers (NBC/ESPN/Univision in the States and TSN/RDS in Canada) and each team makes deals with local carriers. The national TV money gets split equally between all teams, and teams get to keep most of their local deals and pay the rest into a pot for MLS' revenue sharing. I believe LAG have by far the highest local TV deal getting about $5.5 million a year.

    The networks make money by selling advertising during games. More people watching means they can charge more for advertising. However, the contracts they sign with MLS are for a fixed amount every year. No matter how many people watch the games, MLS gets the same money from TV deals. But of course, if more people watch MLS games then the networks will be willing to pay more for TV rights once the current deal is up.

    The next US national TV deal was recently signed with Fox in place of NBC starting next year. The value of the deal ($90 mil/year) is about 3 times as much as the current deal. TSN/RDS have their national deals ending in 2016. I am unsure when TFC's local deals with TSN/Sportsnet end or what their value is. So I basically didn't answer your question but hopefully this was informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowe View Post
    MLS makes deals with national carriers (NBC/ESPN/Univision in the States and TSN/RDS in Canada) and each team makes deals with local carriers. The national TV money gets split equally between all teams, and teams get to keep most of their local deals and pay the rest into a pot for MLS' revenue sharing. I believe LAG have by far the highest local TV deal getting about $5.5 million a year.

    The networks make money by selling advertising during games. More people watching means they can charge more for advertising. However, the contracts they sign with MLS are for a fixed amount every year. No matter how many people watch the games, MLS gets the same money from TV deals. But of course, if more people watch MLS games then the networks will be willing to pay more for TV rights once the current deal is up.

    The next US national TV deal was recently signed with Fox in place of NBC starting next year. The value of the deal ($90 mil/year) is about 3 times as much as the current deal. TSN/RDS have their national deals ending in 2016. I am unsure when TFC's local deals with TSN/Sportsnet end or what their value is. So I basically didn't answer your question but hopefully this was informative.
    Thanks for the info, never really understood revenue from tv. A couple thoughts I have after reading:

    1. do Canadian teams get any of the 90million american deal?
    2. whats the difference between local and national deals? (tsn pays for the nation one, so why would they play ontop for local)

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    I have a feeling that with TSN going to 5 separate channels in two weeks, we are going to see a lot more TFC and Montreal games joining the current full slate of Whitecaps matches starting next season....either that or 5 channels of Sportscentre reruns....

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    Yes, Canadian teams get an equal share of the US deal, and vice versa.

    TSN's national deal is only for about 30 games a season and includes matchups with all-American teams, the All Star game, and playoffs. The games that are not covered by the national deal have to be covered by "local" deals. In Canada the local deals happen to be signed by national networks so it's hard to see the difference since every game is technically broadcast nationally. But Vancouver did have a few games on CTV Vancouver earlier this year and in previous years their non-national games were on Sportsnet Pacific only.

    For American teams non-national games are broadcast on regional channels or regional affiliates of national networks like Time Warner Ohio for the Crew or Root Sports Northwest for Portland. Local TV deals are the only way for fans to watch their team other than the handful of nationally broadcast games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supporting View Post
    Thanks for the info, never really understood revenue from tv. A couple thoughts I have after reading:

    1. do Canadian teams get any of the 90million american deal?
    2. whats the difference between local and national deals? (tsn pays for the nation one, so why would they play ontop for local)
    1. SUM is a big secret. It seems that they do. SUM Canada is probably fully owned by SUM, so everyone shares in everything. When paid out, it goes to the Owner/Operators, though, not the team. They reinvest most earnings, though, so rather than get current cash flow, the value of SUM just keeps going up.

    2. Local deals seem to have a bigger share to the Owner/Operator, yet often mean less money because they are typically viewed by less people. They are more a favour to fans than a real money-maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    CBC is not doing sports again ever, by the looks of things. Their sports department is basically becoming a division of the news. No live coverage.
    That depends on who gets elected next year, you could very well see the Federal Liberals give more money to CBC and allow them to reinvent their sport department.

    There is clearly a market for Canadian soccer as shown by the U-20 games and people will watch when its made available on over the air T.V.

    The CBC needs to wrangle the CRTC, Bell and Rogers and get those rights to the games that would be on TSN2,3,4,5,....or SportsNet720 or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    That depends on who gets elected next year, you could very well see the Federal Liberals give more money to CBC and allow them to reinvent their sport department.

    There is clearly a market for Canadian soccer as shown by the U-20 games and people will watch when its made available on over the air T.V.

    The CBC needs to wrangle the CRTC, Bell and Rogers and get those rights to the games that would be on TSN2,3,4,5,....or SportsNet720 or whatever.
    It's possible the CBC can be reinvented but it will likely take more than one election. I had some meetings there earlier this year (drama, not sports) and the mood is very defeatist. There just doesn't seem to be much will to fight anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Red View Post
    It's possible the CBC can be reinvented but it will likely take more than one election. I had some meetings there earlier this year (drama, not sports) and the mood is very defeatist. There just doesn't seem to be much will to fight anymore.
    Mark Lee and Steve Armitage laid off today.

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    Wow I just heard that, I guess it shouldn't be shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard View Post
    Mark Lee and Steve Armitage laid off today.
    They told them in May....and then both had to go to Glasgow as their last outing overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    That depends on who gets elected next year, you could very well see the Federal Liberals give more money to CBC and allow them to reinvent their sport department.

    There is clearly a market for Canadian soccer as shown by the U-20 games and people will watch when its made available on over the air T.V.

    The CBC needs to wrangle the CRTC, Bell and Rogers and get those rights to the games that would be on TSN2,3,4,5,....or SportsNet720 or whatever.
    The problem with the national market for the MLS is that out of market areas simply don't care about us.

    That said, we have a large portion of the countries population here - putting TFC games on CBC would do a lot for viewership around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qman View Post
    Also, Vancouver's local games are on TSN too. Not just the national package. Don't know why TFC allows them to be seen in toronto.
    MLS isn't going to allow you to black out another teams games in your local market. Lesson already learned by other leagues: taking product off TV for some draconian reason is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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    Having a sunday night game on tsn main network certainly helped the Vancouver number against SKC. What were they up against? Sunday night would be a no brainer start time until NFL starts up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by habstfc View Post
    Having a sunday night game on tsn main network certainly helped the Vancouver number against SKC. What were they up against? Sunday night would be a no brainer start time until NFL starts up.
    The golf was on for the first half of the whitecaps game. That why the ratings are so high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowe View Post
    The next US national TV deal was recently signed with Fox in place of NBC starting next year. The value of the deal ($90 mil/year) is about 3 times as much as the current deal. TSN/RDS have their national deals ending in 2016. I am unsure when TFC's local deals with TSN/Sportsnet end or what their value is. So I basically didn't answer your question but hopefully this was informative.
    It is Fox and ESPN on the next tv deal; TFC's local deal, if there is one is just a split between tsn/sportsnet on the final 22 games

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    looks like the soccer cell phones got on TSN ... again!

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    Past weekend ratings show watching soccer on tv isn't an issue for Canadians as 2 u20 women's matches and 4 EPL matches made top 20 list. For MLS, only Whitecaps made the top 20 even though it was a 1030 edt start which tells me Whitecaps have a local tv following while TFC & Impact don't. And like the Whitecaps but on a higher plane, Argos & Lions are tv worthy.

    1. CFL, Lions at Argonauts, Sunday, TSN: 820,000.
    2. CFL, Alouettes at Roughriders, Saturday, TSN: 737,000
    3. MLB, Blue Jays at White Sox, Sunday, Sportsnet: 633,000
    4. MLB, Blue Jays at White Sox, Friday, Sportsnet: 583,000
    5. MLB, Blue Jays at White Sox, Saturday, Sportsnet: 580,000
    6. CFL, Eskimos at RedBlacks, Friday, TSN: 547,000
    7. CFL, Stampeders at Ticats, Saturday, TSN: 490,000
    8. Soccer, Women's u-20 World Cup final, Canada vs. Germany, Saturday, CBC: 461,000
    9. Auto racing, NASCAR Pure Michigan 400, Sunday, TSN: 276,000 (Fox audience not measured)
    10. Soccer, Women's u-20 World Cup, Korea vs. U.S., Saturday, CBC: 247,000
    11. PGA, Wyndham Championship final round, Sunday, Global: 216,000
    12. Soccer, Manchester City at Newcastle, Sunday, TSN: 190,000
    13. Rugby, Women's World Cup final, Canada vs. England, Sunday, TSN2: 172,000
    14. PGA, Wyndham Championship third round, Saturday, Global: 168,000
    15. Soccer, Whitecaps at Chivas, Saturday, TSN: 155,000
    16. Soccer, Crystal Palace at Arsenal, Saturday, Sportsnet: 139,000
    17. UFC, Bader vs. St. Preux, Saturday, Sportsnet360: 138,000
    18. Soccer, Tottenham at West Ham, Saturday, Sportsnet: 133,000
    19. Tennis, ATP Western and Southern Open semifinal, Saturday, Sportsnet: 101,000
    20. Soccer, Swansea at Manchester United, Saturday, Sportsnet: 90,000
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    How in the world did Korea-USA under 20 women's game outdraw rest of soccer games except for Canadian under 20 women game?

    I understand EPL games not drawing over 200K since they're playing during morning time, but MLS games playing on prime time can't outdraw under 20 women soccer is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    How in the world did Korea-USA under 20 women's game outdraw rest of soccer games except for Canadian under 20 women game?

    I understand EPL games not drawing over 200K since they're playing during morning time, but MLS games playing on prime time can't outdraw under 20 women soccer is sad.
    TSN2 vs CBC, no contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    The problem with the national market for the MLS is that out of market areas simply don't care about us.

    That said, we have a large portion of the countries population here - putting TFC games on CBC would do a lot for viewership around here.
    Does anyone recall what were the TFC ratings like when they were on CBC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowe View Post
    TSN2 vs CBC, no contest.
    Nationalism.

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    One of the biggest problem with the ratings, IMO, is the production value of the broadcasts.
    MLS broadcasts just seem so amateur compared to CFL or MLB.

    It's especially evident with the play-by-play and colour commentators.

    Think about it... CFL games get Chris Cuthbert (one of the best play-by-play guys in North America, in any sport), Rod Black, and Gord Miller as commentators, as well as Rod Smith and now James Duthie as hosts.

    These are some of Canada's top TV Sports Personalities, period.
    They aren't just Canadian Football "Specialists"


    While I don't mind Devos, Forrest, Dobson, etc. as analysts, they are not very good play-by-play or colour commentators.
    The games just don't have that professional feel to them on TV.
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    Pretty good ratings for TFC this week. 157,000 viewers. Beat all the Premier League games this week. It was broadcast on Sportsnet Ontario , East, West and Pacific which meant there was a larger potential audience than the usual TSN2 or SN1.

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...172811029.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy View Post
    Pretty good ratings for TFC this week. 157,000 viewers. Beat all the Premier League games this week. It was broadcast on Sportsnet Ontario , East, West and Pacific which meant there was a larger potential audience than the usual TSN2 or SN1.

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...172811029.html
    If I'm not mistaken, all September games are to be aired on TSN (primary channel). It'll be interesting to see what sort of audience the team gets as it pushes towards the playoffs, and as the summer comes to a close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barticusz View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, all September games are to be aired on TSN (primary channel). It'll be interesting to see what sort of audience the team gets as it pushes towards the playoffs, and as the summer comes to a close.
    Actually its all of October's games that are on TSN. September's game are all over the place, Sportsnet360, SN1 and TSN2. It's like a game of hide and seek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy View Post
    Actually its all of October's games that are on TSN. September's game are all over the place, Sportsnet360, SN1 and TSN2. It's like a game of hide and seek.
    up against HNIC or what ever its called now Rogers hockey night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy View Post
    Pretty good ratings for TFC this week. 157,000 viewers. Beat all the Premier League games this week. It was broadcast on Sportsnet Ontario , East, West and Pacific which meant there was a larger potential audience than the usual TSN2 or SN1.

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh...172811029.html
    Good.

    TSN has been bad for TFC. Hopefully Sportsnet/Rogers put more TFC games on their main network because we all know that TSN is going to put TFC games on their new channels which a lot of us don't have right now ( TSN3/TSN4/TSN5) in the future instead of their main network.

    EDIT: Don't TSN own national MLS TV rights in Canada? If so, then how in the world did Sportsnet manage put TFC game on their national channel (4 Sportsnet regional channels)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    Good.

    TSN has been bad for TFC. Hopefully Sportsnet/Rogers put more TFC games on their main network because we all know that TSN is going to put TFC games on their new channels which a lot of us don't have right now ( TSN3/TSN4/TSN5) in the future instead of their main network.



    EDIT: Don't TSN own national MLS TV rights in Canada? If so, then how in the world did Sportsnet manage put TFC game on their national channel (4 Sportsnet regional channels)?
    i've made this point before a bunch of times on this thread, regional games are going coast to coast with no blackouts (especially with Vancouver regional games on TSN main network.
    But since TSN isn't paying anything for the national rights (profit sharing deal with no profits given the ratings) it doesn't care.
    Also the point has been made in the thread that the 3 teams want to grow the game in Canada.

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    Here are last weeks ratings. TFC posted a much improved TV # at 150,000

    Here are the most-watched sports events on English-Canadian television for the past weekend, according to BBM Canada overnight ratings:

    1. CFL, Roughriders at Lions, Sunday, TSN: 1,026,000
    2. CFL, Alouettes at Blue Bombers, Friday, TSN: 679,000
    3. MLB, Rays at Blue Jays, Sunday, Sportsnet: 614,000
    4. CFL, Stampeders at Redblacks, Saturday, TSN: 517,000
    5. MLB, Rays at Blue Jays, Saturday, Sportsnet: 505,000
    6. CFL, Argonauts at Eskimos, Saturday, TSN: 487,000
    7. MLB, Rays at Blue Jays, Friday, Sportsnet: 447,000
    8. Soccer, Women's under-20 World Cup final, Nigeria vs. Germany, Sunday, CBC: 300,000
    9. Auto racing, NASCAR Sprint Cup, Saturday, TSN: 292,000 (Fox audience not measured.)
    10. PGA, Barclays final round, Sunday, Global: 266,000
    11. PGA, Barclays third round, Saturday, Global: 237,000
    12. MLS, Toronto FC at Chicago, Saturday, Sportsnet: 157,000
    13. Soccer, Arsenal at Everton, Saturday, TSN: 150,000
    14. Soccer, Leicester at Chelsea, Saturday, Sportsnet: 144,000
    15. Auto racing, F1 Belgian Grand Prix, Sunday, TSN: 143,000
    16. Soccer, Women's under-20 World Cup, France vs. N. Korea, Sunday, CBC: 140,000
    17. Soccer, Newcastle at Aston Villa, Saturday, Sportsnet: 120,000
    18. Auto racing, IndyCar Sonoma Grand Prix, Sunday, Sportsnet: 104,000

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    Meh...when the owner of the Argos himself says in an interview that he is losing money, TV ratings mean shunt.

 

 

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