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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    If this deal was done months ago and Henry was loaned back then there is no reason to keep it private. The whole "not completed' part still makes no sense as it contradicts everything else being said previous.

    This one was probably better left unsaid until it's all done, unless of course it is all done and they are either lying to us or are making it more convoluted than need be. Telling the media now, in this confusing way, was not the right way to go. If you work in professional sports then you should at least be able to leak your own information without making it a PR shitstorm.
    If they weren't lying, a good course of action would have been to have the person who could properly explain it take all the media aside and properly explain it before they started writing columns, tweeting, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    If this deal was done months ago and Henry was loaned back then there is no reason to keep it private. The whole "not completed' part still makes no sense as it contradicts everything else being said previous.

    This one was probably better left unsaid until it's all done, unless of course it is all done and they are either lying to us or are making it more convoluted than need be. Telling the media now, in this confusing way, was not the right way to go. If you work in professional sports then you should at least be able to leak your own information without making it a PR shitstorm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Okay, simple question; is it completed or not?

    If it was done in April then how is it, as they themselves said, not completed now? Does TFC management even know the specifics of this deal? Who did the deal?


    The "not completed" part appears to be the negotiations on whether he stays next year as well or not.

    I don't even really have a problem with them not announcing the other team right now.
    If the other team doesnt want it made public, and Henry was still going to play for us all this season, fine.

    But still relate that situation to the supporters.
    "Henry's rights have been sold to an unnamed party, but will continue to play for Toronto FC on indefinite loan."... simple!
    Last edited by gdg_9; 10-23-2014 at 02:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdg_9 View Post
    "Henry's rights have been sold to an unnamed party, but will continue to play for Toronto FC on indefinite loan."... simple!
    Nothing is simple at TFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmenJBX View Post
    Not sure. The club is holding a few meetings next week for locker room clear outs so hopefully there will be more details about this on Wednesday.
    Hey Armen!

    There have been a few cases recently of footballers trying to fast-track EU work permits by getting citizenship in Cyprus, which, due to the economic situation there, has been eased. This may be an end-around to get him dual Cyprus citizenship via employment or residence there (as Juan Agudelo was attempting); that's why they don't care if he's loaned back. Because the Cyprus club is just the agent's end-around so that they can move him to a club in England, probably West Ham.

    Certain parties involved this have a history of this sort of thing, and I will leave it at that. If he plays in Cyprus, it won't be for more than a season (it's actually not a terrible league, sort of USL level with some craft Brazilians and Slavs thrown in).

    So what is almost certainly happening is that his rights have been sold to the party in question , who is extremely litigious and shall not be named here, as well as a small part to the cyprus club to keep it legit with FIFA, who will then sell him on to the final team in another country. It'll all be academic to TFC as we've already been paid.

    EDIT: According to that club's wiki, if Rollins is right, they're in financial difficulties. So they'd probably cut whatever deal the agents wanted to get a cut:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Omonia

    (it's at the bottom.)

    SECOND EDIT: Just to clarify, Canada's ranking is so low right now that there's no way he'd qualify for an English work permit without an EU family tie. It's why they're rushing to get Yedlin a Lithuanian or Estonian passport or somethign right now, as he doesn't have enough games with the U.S. nats (even though it IS well ranked enough).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Hey Armen!

    There have been a few cases recently of footballers trying to fast-track EU work permits by getting citizenship in Cyprus, which, due to the economic situation there, has been eased. This may be an end-around to get him dual Cyprus citizenship via employment or residence there (as Juan Agudelo was attempting); that's why they don't care if he's loaned back. Because the Cyprus club is just the agent's end-around so that they can move him to a club in England, probably West Ham.

    Certain parties involved this have a history of this sort of thing, and I will leave it at that. If he plays in Cyprus, it won't be for more than a season (it's actually not a terrible league, sort of USL level with some craft Brazilians and Slavs thrown in).

    So what is almost certainly happening is that his rights have been sold to the party in question , who is extremely litigious and shall not be named here, as well as a small part to the cyprus club to keep it legit with FIFA, who will then sell him on to the final team in another country. It'll all be academic to TFC as we've already been paid.
    Yup. That's exactly is going on here.

    This is why club that bought Henry isn't named.

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    Kia Joorabchian and TFC is a match made in heaven. Nothing can go wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    When I get confirmation that TFC kept it from the public based on their own volition, then I'll join you on that anti-TFC bandwagon. Right now, there's not enough evidence for it.
    not to mention how this had to go through MLS which is notorious for shit like this

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    Feeling ill that Kia J has anything to do with TFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    What are the league rules for a third party sale?
    I imagine the league's rules are along the line of: if you pay the right price, we couldn't care less if you're a club, 3rd party owner, or a human trafficking ring (though the lines between the latter two are sometimes rather blurry).

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    So what?
    Maybe West Ham has an agreement in place, where Henry decides when to leave TFC, before going on loan to Cyprus if he doesn't have a work permit by then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRo Fan #1 View Post
    So what?
    Maybe West Ham has an agreement in place, where Henry decides when to leave TFC, before going on loan to Cyprus if he doesn't have a work permit by then...
    I think you only have to own property there for a short period before you can get EU status, same as Spain right now. Part of trying to recover from the real estate crash that has left them with thousands of unsold villas.

    So he wouldn't even need to play there, just be owner of land of a certain net value for a certain period, probably a year, during which time he stays on loan with TFC.

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    The whole thing makes more sense if it was a ploy to get Henry an EU passport. Still unsavory but explains why FO had to keep a lid on it.

    I thought UEFA had some way to prevent passport shopping though.

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    John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro · 6m6 minutes ago

    Bez: "Doneil told us he wanted to play in Europe before season. Offer from West Ham didn't come. One did come from Cyrpus." #TFC

    John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro · 4m4 minutes ago

    Bez: "Initial terms were agreed [with Cyprus team] around March/April." #TFC

    John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro · 4m4 minutes ago

    Bez on not announcing when deal done: "The player wasn't leaving. Ca hit not changed. Back next year. Thought it'd be distraction.# TFC

    John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro · 3m3 minutes ago

    Bez: #TFC got allocation money as part of sale at time of sale.



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    LOL beat to it.

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    Bez out.

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    So, we sold two of our bright young up and coming players in two positions we had little to no depth in, all to get the result of this shit season.

    Laba
    Henry

    Gone.

    Playoffs?

    Nope.

    Worst team in the world.

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    Spin from official website ... still doesn't make much sense to me

    Update on Doneil Henry
    Doneil Henry was on the verge of fulfilling a lifelong dream.
    A trial with English Premier League club West Ham went well last summer. The 21-year-old from Brampton was a few formalities away from playing professional soccer in Europe.
    An offer from the Hammers didn’t come, but Henry didn’t relent. His hard work eventually paid off.
    Shortly after Henry’s trial, Toronto FC was approached by a club from Cyprus. The club sat down with Henry and his agent, Courtney James, to discuss a potential deal. Henry opted to pursue his dream, and TFC agreed it was the best course of action.
    “I think this is a win-win for the player and club,” said General Manager Tim Bezbatchenko.
    Henry stayed with TFC on loan from the currently unnamed Cypriot club in 2014 and could do the same in 2015, depending on individual talks between Toronto management and the player.
    Those talks are expected to occur next week, with a decision coming soon after.

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    id love to know whwat we did with the allocation.
    hope it didnt go to Cesar

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    still don't get why this Cypriot club is still unnamed. why the secrecy?
    “Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.

    I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’

    And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”

    -Eduardo Galeano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    still don't get why this Cypriot club is still unnamed. why the secrecy?
    The team is Apoel FC

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    Quote Originally Posted by andmat View Post
    The team is Apoel FC

    Rollins says AC Omonia.

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    I've been a huge Bez fan until now, but if we spent that allocation on 7 games of Julio Cesar he should be fired. No question this is a fireable offence to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molenshtain View Post
    I've been a huge Bez fan until now, but if we spent that allocation on 7 games of Julio Cesar he should be fired. No question this is a fireable offence to me.
    LOL, this whole thing reeks of an EU passport backdoor scheme; it's Mo all over again.

    Of course, they can't admit that, so we have the notion that Doneil Henry thought it a step up in his career to play professionally in Cyprus, which just happens to give out passports these days like candy.

    Who do they think they're kidding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdubs View Post
    Armen Bedakian@ArmenBedakian 2m2 minutes ago
    Just spoke with a club official at Toronto FC. Nothing has been finalized re: Doneil Henry. #TFC #MLS
    Nice to get an official quote, but these guys are not credible. They'll say anything.

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    We'll never know what the allocation was spent on. Could have easily been spent on Oduro, or dumping Ecks, or still have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    We'll never know what the allocation was spent on. Could have easily been spent on Oduro, or dumping Ecks, or still have it.
    and that's part of the problem with this league; you can't hold GM's accountable for all their moves.

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    From the Defoe mommys boy article

    Should the player be purchased, he will lose that opportunity, and the Reds will shop for an attacking midfield partner to play alongside Michael Bradley.
    Brazilian striker Gilberto, the strike partner Defoe rarely seemed in sync with, will likely stay unless the Reds receive an outstanding offer.
    The Reds believe they can get more out of Gilberto with the addition of a prominent attacking midfielder, a signing TFC simply must get right to avoid another mid-season circus.
    When approached for comment regarding Defoe and another playoff-less season, the club’s front office — including MLSE CEO Tim Leiweke — said they plan to speak publicly following Saturday’s season-ender, a pending grilling you won’t want to miss.
    \http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23...-drama-sources

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    Incredible stuff. If true, he really does sound like an entitled headcase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Rollins says AC Omonia.
    Quote Originally Posted by andmat View Post
    The team is Apoel FC
    i heard it was a FUT created by some kid in cyprus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    LOL, this whole thing reeks of an EU passport backdoor scheme; it's Mo all over again.

    Of course, they can't admit that, so we have the notion that Doneil Henry thought it a step up in his career to play professionally in Cyprus, which just happens to give out passports these days like candy.

    Who do they think they're kidding?
    I think you're right and this is a way into England. Henry will never play a game let alone train with his "team".

 

 

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