Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 177
  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Leiweke and Tobin talk to Sportsnet on BMO expansion, Argos at BMO

    Hey guys,

    I spoke to Phil Tobin and Tim Leiweke this week about the whole BMO Field/expansion/Argos moving in issue.

    I know this is an issue that's important to you, so I thought you'd be interested in reading my story for sportsnet.ca:

    Leiweke soothes Toronto FC fan concerns over BMO Field


    Cheers,
    John Molinaro
    Last edited by johnmolinaro; 01-09-2014 at 06:11 PM.

  2. #2
    RPB 2019
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Kitchener
    Posts
    16,828
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmolinaro View Post
    Hey guys,

    I spoke to Phil Tobin and Tim Leiweke this week about the whole BMO Field/expansion/Argos moving in issue.

    I know this is an issue that's important to you, so I thought you'd be interested in reading my story for sportsnet.ca:

    Leiweke soothes Toronto fan worries over BMO expansion

    Cheers,
    John Molinaro
    links to an older Arash story

    "
    Hell is always loose here. It can't break loose again
    ."
    -Fort York Redcoat, on the state of TFC

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    links to an older Arash story
    I'm an idiot! Link is fixed now.

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    westdale, hamilton
    Posts
    6,438
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I will be done with Toronto fc big name player will not make me stay if argo come to bmo ...

  5. #5
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen, GER
    Posts
    1,249
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Thanks for this, John.

    I wish, though, that someone might ask him directly if he's aware of a few specific examples of shared facilities, within MLS (Houston, etc.), and the horror stories that come with it (shredded pitch and what not, despite their best efforts and the climate being on their side). Further, that, despite it being POSSIBLE to wash off lines, it would a) still be visible, if faintly and b) not be good for the grass to undergo such a process, with regularity. Lastly, that any such modifications, especially if funded publicly, would, surely, lend a bit more leverage to those who want to force The Argos into BMO.

    For me, these, and other follow-ups, similar, are far more important than the overall, generic topics of whether or not they will keep grass and so on.

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JuliquE View Post
    Thanks for this, John.

    I wish, though, that someone might ask him directly if he's aware of a few specific examples of shared facilities, within MLS (Houston, etc.), and the horror stories that come with it (shredded pitch and what not, despite their best efforts and the climate being on their side). Further, that, despite it being POSSIBLE to wash off lines, it would a) still be visible, if faintly and b) not be good for the grass to undergo such a process, with regularity. Lastly, that any such modifications, especially if funded publicly, would, surely, lend a bit more leverage to those who want to force The Argos into BMO.

    For me, these, and other follow-ups, similar, are far more important than the overall, generic topics of whether or not they will keep grass and so on.
    He's fully aware of other venues and problems they have with grass supporting soccer and football. But he honestly believes that you can schedule games so that the effect on the condition of the grass will be minimal. He also maintains you can take out the football lines entirely without noticing they were there in the first place. He also said that MLSE would be fitting the majority of the bill. There will be public money involved, but MLSE is footing the cost for the the majority of the renovation.

    John

  7. #7
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    2,618
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Really hope it doesn't become like Old Trafford. I'm sure many fans have stopped supporting them because of this.



    Bush league.
    Last edited by PopePouri; 01-09-2014 at 06:51 PM.

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,882
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Heard promises before of completely eliminating football lines and Ive never seen it come true yet. After a year + hiatus I'm just starting to have an interest in this team again now that they've cleaned house of the office douchebags. If they get rid of or mark up the grass pitch Im gone forever and never looking back regardless if they even go so far as to bring in Klopp to coach Ronaldo, Rooney and Lewandowski.
    Last edited by Stryker; 01-09-2014 at 07:06 PM.

  9. #9
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker View Post
    Heard promises before of completely eliminating football lines and Ive never seen it come true yet. After a year + hiatus I'm just starting to have an interest in this team again now that they've cleaned house of the office douchebags. If they get rid of or mark up the grass pitch U m gone forever and
    They're not getting rid of grass. Tim made that perfectly clear today with me. And he said you can remove the lines for TFC and that you'd never know they were there in the first place.

  10. #10
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Barried Alive
    Posts
    18,123
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Glad to see the RPB President get to air his concerns in a mainstream sports article with TL, but his responses make it sound like his full intention is to eventually have the Argos playing at BMO. His only response to the contrary, was to say that there's no secret deal already in place - everything else was just promises and assurances that the soccer experience wouldn't be impacted if it happened.

    Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really believes that - is a week long enough for a grass pitch to fully recover from a CFL game? What about the first time it's rainy or snowy - how do you prevent the grass from turning to mud? What is this alleged technology, that apparently lets CFL lines be removed from the grass completely, and repeatedly?

    Unlike some, I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of sharing a stadium with the CFL - taxpayers matter, stadiums aren't cheap to build (and the city owns our stadium) - but I don't presently see how they can do it without significant impacts to soccer, and I don't like feeling like I'm having smoke blown in my face about how everything would be completely fine. Are there any documented cases of both being accommodated with no problems?

    - Scott
    “Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens

  11. #11
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Barried Alive
    Posts
    18,123
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmolinaro View Post
    They're not getting rid of grass. Tim made that perfectly clear today with me. And he said you can remove the lines for TFC and that you'd never know they were there in the first place.
    That's good that the grass is definitely staying - less so if it's staying, but turns into muddy, permanently scarred garbage after a few weeks.

    - Scott
    “Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens

  12. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Glad to see the RPB President get to air his concerns in a mainstream sports article with TL, but his responses make it sound like his full intention is to eventually have the Argos playing at BMO. His only response to the contrary, was to say that there's no secret deal already in place - everything else was just promises and assurances that the soccer experience wouldn't be impacted if it happened.

    Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really believes that - is a week long enough for a grass pitch to fully recover from a CFL game? What about the first time it's rainy or snowy - how do you prevent the grass from turning to mud? What is this alleged technology, that apparently lets CFL lines be removed from the grass completely, and repeatedly?

    Unlike some, I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of sharing a stadium with the CFL - taxpayers matter, stadiums aren't cheap to build (and the city owns our stadium) - but I don't presently see how they can do it without significant impacts to soccer, and I don't like feeling like I'm having smoke blown in my face about how everything would be completely fine. Are there any documented cases of both being accommodated with no problems?

    - Scott
    I thought it was important to talk to Phil and give him a forum to voice his concerns, because I know this is an important issue not only for RPB, but for the fan-base in general.

    As for the future of BMO Field, Tim did go to great lengths to say fans will be consulted before any final decision is made - which is at least six months away. So you'll have plenty of time to voice your views and concerns before anything is done.

    He's now on record as saying that and that the grass will remain. So it's hard for him to backtrack on those two promises now.

    John

  13. #13
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen, GER
    Posts
    1,249
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmolinaro View Post
    He's fully aware of other venues and problems they have with grass supporting soccer and football. But he honestly believes that you can schedule games so that the effect on the condition of the grass will be minimal. He also maintains you can take out the football lines entirely without noticing they were there in the first place. He also said that MLSE would be fitting the majority of the bill. There will be public money involved, but MLSE is footing the cost for the the majority of the renovation.

    John
    Thanks for the clarification, John.

    Still.. minimal damage to the pitch would be noticeable and certainly worse than "how it is, today," as he is often quoted; when he says they would only go through with these modifications if it improves the football (soccer) experience, it rather sounds like he means one element improving, to the detriment of another, when you examine it. Again, Houston, for example, doesn't have the same climate issues to cope with (colder temperatures making it more difficult for the pitch to recover); I just can't see how that doesn't, already, make this idea a no-go, if, indeed, he's/they're committed to grass -- what is, above all else, of the utmost importance.

    I wonder if he's been specifically told that, despite the lines appearing to be washed away, from close up, you're still able to tell they were once there, from the subtle difference between the shades of green, when observed from afar (stands; TV). I also wonder if he's aware that the removal process isn't particularly good for the grass, either.

    I still feel that, even without any public money (of which there will be some), it still positions The Argos well, to make a push for BMO tenancy, especially following a Grey Cup hosted there. Do you know if he has specifically been asked about that? If yes, his response to such a possibility would certainly pique my interest.

    Again, it just seems like his responses are so generic, with, for me, what appear to be huge holes in the logistics of it all. I really do appreciate that you are making a little noise about this topic, though -- brilliant.
    Last edited by JuliquE; 01-09-2014 at 07:21 PM.

  14. #14
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JuliquE View Post
    Thanks for the clarification, John.

    Still.. minimal damage to the pitch would be noticeable and certainly worse than "how it is, today," as he is often quoted; when he says they would only go through with these modifications if it improves the football (soccer) experience, it rather sounds like he means one element improving, to the detriment of another, when you examine it. Again, Houston, for example, doesn't have the same climate issues to cope with (colder temperatures making it more difficult for the pitch to recover); I just can't see how that doesn't, already, make this idea a no-go, if, indeed, he's/they're committed to grass -- what is, above all else, of the utmost importance.

    I wonder if he's been specifically told that, despite the lines appearing to be washed away, from close up, you're still able to tell they were once there, from the subtle difference between the shades of green. I also wonder if he's aware that the removal process isn't particularly good for the grass, either.

    I still feel that, even without any public money (of which there will be some), it still positions The Argos well, to make a push for BMO tenancy, especially following a Grey Cup hosted there. Do you know if he has specifically been asked that? If yes, his response to such a possibility would certainly pique my interest.

    Again, it just seems like his responses are so generic, with, for me, what appear to be huge holes in the logistics of it all. I really do appreciate that you are making a little noise about this topic, though -- brilliant.
    Like Tim Told me, fans will be consulted before any final decision is made regarding expansion and modifications to BMO Field. So if you have concerns, be sure to raise them.

    John

  15. #15
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    5,501
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    Really hope it doesn't become like Old Trafford. I'm sure many fans have stopped supporting them because of this.



    Bush league.
    I've never heard United supporters even mention the lines on the pitch after a rugby league match. It's a non-issue for them.

  16. #16
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Nordrhein-Westfalen, GER
    Posts
    1,249
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmolinaro View Post
    Like Tim Told me, fans will be consulted before any final decision is made regarding expansion and modifications to BMO Field. So if you have concerns, be sure to raise them.

    John
    Getting the vibe like I might be beating a dead horse, here.. so, I'll lay off and extend my apologies; it must be, at times, frustrating to act as a messenger, taking some of the heat.

    Grateful for your efforts, all the same.

  17. #17
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    689
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JuliquE View Post
    Getting the vibe like I might be beating a dead horse, here.. so, I'll lay off and extend my apologies; it must be, at times, frustrating to act as a messenger, taking some of the heat.

    Grateful for your efforts, all the same.
    No, I don't feel, you're beating a dead horse at all, and no need at all for you to apologize. It's all good.

    Thanks for recognizing my efforts. I honestly often wonder if I'm making any kind of difference and if people even notice or value my work. So nice to see that some do.

    John

  18. #18
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    2,618
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    I've never heard United supporters even mention the lines on the pitch after a rugby league match. It's a non-issue for them.
    Heh. I was trying to be sarcastic.

    IMO it's a non-issue as long as the grass stays. I really want BMO to be intimidating so I welcome the expansion.

  19. #19
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    197
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Here is someone else who appreciates all of the hard work done by yourself and others who try sometimes without success to get real answers to all of the issues.
    My main concern at the moment is /how do we keep LABA.
    I do not know how to post a thread but if someone on this site would have a vote type thread posted /asking to make sure we do not give him away.
    Just maybe management might listen.
    Thanks in anticipation.

  20. #20
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    2,421
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PopePouri View Post
    Heh. I was trying to be sarcastic.

    IMO it's a non-issue as long as the grass stays. I really want BMO to be intimidating so I welcome the expansion.
    As long as grass stays and the stands remain pitchside, I don't hate it. I'd still prefer TFC in a SSS and the Argos in a CFL SS. 30 000 seems too big for TFC right now and too small for the Argos as well. TFC should be looking at 25000 if they want to expand and the Argos should be looking for 35 000. Also, the scheduling thing would really be a problem should both the Argos and TFC make the playoffs and host a playoff game. They happen around the same time... Unless the plan is for the Argos to play playoff games at the Dome still, like in Montreal.

  21. #21
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,960
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    thanks for nailing down some answers from them John.

    You know what my issue is with this...we spent $650 million on a multi-purpose stadium back in the day. why do they have to move out of there, especially since its owned by Rogers, who own half of MLSE.

  22. #22
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    The Junction - Toronto
    Posts
    503
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    I've never heard United supporters even mention the lines on the pitch after a rugby league match. It's a non-issue for them.
    There is huge difference between rugby lines and CFL lines. I can't wait to see the ball get lost in 20 foot RONA logo for the first time.

    Oh wait... I won't be watching.

  23. #23
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    112
    Posts
    2,839
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Glad to see the RPB President get to air his concerns in a mainstream sports article with TL, but his responses make it sound like his full intention is to eventually have the Argos playing at BMO. His only response to the contrary, was to say that there's no secret deal already in place - everything else was just promises and assurances that the soccer experience wouldn't be impacted if it happened.

    Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really believes that - is a week long enough for a grass pitch to fully recover from a CFL game? What about the first time it's rainy or snowy - how do you prevent the grass from turning to mud? What is this alleged technology, that apparently lets CFL lines be removed from the grass completely, and repeatedly?

    Unlike some, I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of sharing a stadium with the CFL - taxpayers matter, stadiums aren't cheap to build (and the city owns our stadium) - but I don't presently see how they can do it without significant impacts to soccer, and I don't like feeling like I'm having smoke blown in my face about how everything would be completely fine. Are there any documented cases of both being accommodated with no problems?

    - Scott
    I have to agree with you here. I do think it's fully intended to happen unless they just can't do it from a architectural level.

    I'm not entirely bothered by it, SHOULD, things as stated be true. Grass staying, no lines (Rugby is not a fair comparison, the CFL has more lines, all kinds of fucking Tim Hortons ads, logos, yard numbers, etc) and maintaining intimacy. Those are musts.

    I would disagree with other comments that 30K is too much for TFC. IF this club maintains a level of quality in talent that they have just acquired, actually wins some fucking titles, 30K will be easy on the regular. I do wonder where these seats will be, all on the East side in a 2nd deck? Will the south grow at all? TFC, even still, has a much higher demand for the South than what's available. A second smaller deck back there would be fantastic for support, perhaps give more options for hanging banners and doing TIFO's. Look at relocation every year, all the fuds like me ask around to the first ones there..."are there any yellows?" and the answer is almost always "nope"....and we don't bother going.


    As for the CFL, I have to admit I'm a lifelong CFL fan (of Hamilton, fuck the Argos, the cunts) but still, it's incredibly vital to the health of the league to have a team in Toronto. It hurts the CFL badly that the Argos are the worst supported team in the league. The issue has always been the Skydome. Getting them outside is going to do wonders for their support and the finances of the league. I just don't want it to impact TFC at all.

    Side question: Are the Argos, double blue, really going to play in a stadium littered in the color RED? I have to wonder about that.

    Side point: Maybe we'll get a few more pissers and bank machines eh? Wouldn't that be something to not have to miss half the game cause you crushed a few too many.

    Side BJ: We love all that you do John, keep it up breh.
    Last edited by ryan; 01-09-2014 at 08:30 PM.

  24. #24
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    5,501
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    ^^ I'd bet the seats would be an expansion on the east side. The south would need to be retractable so I'm guessing (based on my complete lack of Engineering knowledge :-) ) that the South stays small as a result.

    I also wondered about the red vs blue seat colors.

  25. #25
    RPB 2019 Moderator
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    at the end of the longest line.
    Posts
    7,985
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I find it interesting that people want the Argos at BMO.
    it was the Argos that got the SkyDome ball rolling.
    People didn't like the cold wind and rain off the lake in november....
    now they want to go back to the exact same spot.
    that wind and rain will be just as cold as it was in the in the 80's (and before that)

  26. #26
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    12,231
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    I find it interesting that people want the Argos at BMO.
    it was the Argos that got the SkyDome ball rolling.
    People didn't like the cold wind and rain off the lake in november....
    now they want to go back to the exact same spot.
    that wind and rain will be just as cold as it was in the in the 80's (and before that)
    If only the Alouettes had never moved into Percival stadium or whatever the heck it's called. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion today. True, one of the major factors in deciding to build a domed stadium was the last Grey Cup the old Ex ever held. But once the Argos saw what Montreal had, with its cozy confines and such, all of the sudden Rogers Centre wasn't good enough anymore.

  27. #27
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    112
    Posts
    2,839
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    I find it interesting that people want the Argos at BMO.
    it was the Argos that got the SkyDome ball rolling.
    People didn't like the cold wind and rain off the lake in november....
    now they want to go back to the exact same spot.
    that wind and rain will be just as cold as it was in the in the 80's (and before that)
    Trends. At that time it was cool to be in the big ass ugly giant domes, now, people would rather be outside. Weather is never a problem in other markets, where it's far colder and worse than being down by the lake in Toronto.

  28. #28
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    2,421
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    I find it interesting that people want the Argos at BMO.
    it was the Argos that got the SkyDome ball rolling.
    People didn't like the cold wind and rain off the lake in november....
    now they want to go back to the exact same spot.
    that wind and rain will be just as cold as it was in the in the 80's (and before that)
    1) that was 25 years ago already. In this day and age, the shelf life of a stadium seems to be between 25-30 years.
    2) the jays are in the same boat. you don't think the jays would love to be in an outdoor stadium on the exhibition grounds? Or at least, almost every Jays fan?
    3) The Dome was a great concept that was executed very poorly. CFL in the dome sucks for all the same reasons soccer in the dome sucks. Bad sightlines, too big/cavernous, seats are too far from the action, seats don't slope enough.

    But that doesn't mean another multi-purpose facility is the answer. A modified BMO would be better for the Argos than the dome, but a parking lot would be better for the Argos than the dome. The feds WILL spend money on cfl stadiums, just build one beside BMO and have any winter classics there. They can do it on the cheap a-la bmo and in 10 years if it's going well renovate and expand it. Just like BMO. I don't give a crap about lines on grass, that's kind of whatever. As has been pointed out most stadiums are multi-use. The sightlines and the turf are my concerns. I keep picturing Fed Ex field in last years playoffs, or Heinz field in any playoff game, or the stadium in Chicago at almost any given point. The turf is just chewed up. It's bad for football but it'd CRIPPLE soccer. Unless they plan to do an Arizona Cardinals type deal and have 2 sets of turf that come in and out, which isn't practical at ALL in Toronto. And thanks to the Jays experiences over the years with the 'top of the line artificial turf!' I don't believe a word about the half turf/half grass thing working well.

    All that being said, MLSE just invested 100 million bucks in TFC. I can't imagine they would jeopardize that investment by pissing off the players and making it more difficult for them to attract other big name players by having a bad pitch. I just don't see it.

  29. #29
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    14,404
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    John is one of the best (the best?) guys we have.

    But ...

    No reporter can really deal with the question of reality vs intent. Leiweke can express all the sincerity in the world, and mean it for all anyone knows, but the fact is, the Argos at BMO would inevitably and seriously degrade the TFC fan experience at BMO.

    The question is not whether Leiweke has the best of intentions. The question is whether you believe that what Leiweke is saying makes sense to you, and is consistent with your experience, or not.
    Last edited by ensco; 01-09-2014 at 09:34 PM.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

  30. #30
    RPB 2019
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Fort Kickass!
    Posts
    5,312
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    So Phineas Tim sez he will consult with TFC fans for their input on whether or not they'd like to see the Argos move into BMO Field before they decide if they want to renovate it.

    OK, here's this TFC fan's opinion about the whole idea:

    FUCK NO!!!

    Is that good enough for ya, PT?!!
    TORONTO FC, 2017 MLS CHAMPIONS!!! (Still the greatest in league history!)

 

 

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •