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    If someone has to make way for Bradley, would anyone else dump Gilberto (if it could be done) if it meant keeping Laba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo Starr View Post
    Not to be a buzzkill but is anyone else worried about how Dero is going to fit in with a new look TFC?

    Dero didn't exactly come across as a humbled guy today (Which is fine in a way as his attitude/ego/drive is what made him a great player) but can that Dero be content as a role player? It is fine for Bez to call him the heart and soul at a presser but he can't be that on the field if Bradley, Osorio are getting the touches through the middle and Defoe and Gilberto up top. Seems to me that Dero's game was more about individual play, setting up and taking his own chances. I'm concerned that the Tims brought Dero back more as PR move and wonder how Dero reacts if he doesn't get the touches, playing time he is used to.

    If he fits in as a supporting player (read: bench) then everybody wins. Good on him for showing confidence but he has to realize at this point that he's not the main guy on the squad (I would even rate him lower then Rey or Osorio in terms of the depth chart). Regardless, I have no doubt in my mind that if the MeRo act makes it's second run in Toronto this management will be bury him in a hole so deep we could loan him to a Chinese club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milanista View Post
    Yup, thats why ppl wanted Gila here...he would of brought that style of play to this team
    While I think Gila is a better player than Defoe, I think Defoe is a better fit for TFC over the next couple of years, due to him being less reliant on quality service into the box. Over the course of the contract though, I think Gila would be the better option - since Defoe is more dependent on pace and once his pace goes (more than it has) I worry about what happens when his pace goes even more. He's not the most intelligent footballer - which doesn't bode well IMHO for him adapting his game.

    Gila + Defoe would have been a terrorizing proposition for the next couple of years though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    If someone has to make way for Bradley, would anyone else dump Gilberto (if it could be done) if it meant keeping Laba?
    *raises hand*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    If someone has to make way for Bradley, would anyone else dump Gilberto (if it could be done) if it meant keeping Laba?
    Impossible to say without seeing what Gilberto actually brings to the table, and what we would get in return for Laba. If Gilberto performs at a decent level this year, I think that unloading Laba is the right move - especially if we can get a good quality MLS midfielder in return. Let's say (pie in the sky dreaming here) we were able to trade him for Cronin or Johnson, we'd come out ahead I think.

    Make no mistake, I think Laba is a fantastic player, I really hope we find a way to keep him, but if something has to give, it has to be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    Impossible to say without seeing what Gilberto actually brings to the table, and what we would get in return for Laba. If Gilberto performs at a decent level this year, I think that unloading Laba is the right move - especially if we can get a good quality MLS midfielder in return. Let's say (pie in the sky dreaming here) we were able to trade him for Cronin or Johnson, we'd come out ahead I think.

    Make no mistake, I think Laba is a fantastic player, I really hope we find a way to keep him, but if something has to give, it has to be him.
    You kind of make my point. Lot of ifs in your comment. We know Laba is quality now and has proven himself in this league already.

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    ^Gilberto can not go, MLS made a big deal about getting him, but lossing Laba without getting something BIG IN THE MID, is a bit of a step back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    ^Gilberto can not go, MLS made a big deal about getting him, but lossing Laba without getting something BIG IN THE MID, is a bit of a step back.
    I know he can't go. But I'm feeling more and more this was a bad move that has us hamstrung. He doesn't have the physical build to be the hold up player to Defoe (which Dike has at least). I'm not sure they'll make a good pairing. We could have got a proven MLSer like Kenny Cooper to be the foil to Defoe for next to nothing. He's a big shot in the dark for a lot of money.

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    You gotta think the brain trust knew what they were getting in Gilberto combined with Defoe. There's too much being invested here to not have considered all this.

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    Gilberto scored 14 goals in 24 apps on a crappy team (they got relegated) in Brazil's top league. i am still optimistic. read somewhere people wouldn't be surprised if he scored more then defoe. can't wait to see him in all the preseason games coming up, paired with dike/de rosario until defoe comes march 1st

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    Why are people jumping at assumptions about what Gilberto can/can not do without even seeing him in a single match for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0bl1vious View Post
    Why are people jumping at assumptions about what Gilberto can/can not do without even seeing him in a single match for us?
    I'm only saying I would rather the sure thing (Laba) than the guy we know nothing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0bl1vious View Post
    Why are people jumping at assumptions about what Gilberto can/can not do without even seeing him in a single match for us?

    I know, you would think we have a bunch of astute judges of talent before seeing the player actually on the field. makes me laugh, however that being said, I prefer to actually see some playing time before passing judgment.
    Roll on new season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derko View Post
    I know, you would think we have a bunch of astute judges of talent before seeing the player actually on the field. makes me laugh, however that being said, I prefer to actually see some playing time before passing judgment.
    Roll on new season.
    The decision will have to be made before we see Gilberto on the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    I'm only saying I would rather the sure thing (Laba) than the guy we know nothing about.
    In the words of my good old Grandad, ' If you don't speculate, you will never accumulate ' but I hear you.

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    lets be honest though, that league is all about flair and goals...not exactly the toughest league to score goals in

    Quote Originally Posted by pdubs View Post
    Gilberto scored 14 goals in 24 apps on a crappy team (they got relegated) in Brazil's top league. i am still optimistic. read somewhere people wouldn't be surprised if he scored more then defoe. can't wait to see him in all the preseason games coming up, paired with dike/de rosario until defoe comes march 1st

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milanista View Post
    lets be honest though, that league is all about flair and goals...not exactly the toughest league to score goals in
    true. i think he gives us another dimension tho. lets wait and see tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdubs View Post
    true. i think he gives us another dimension tho. lets wait and see tho
    i agree i know nothing about him, he could be wicked and he could be a flop...just saying that league is meh

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    Lol Laba for Cronin is closer to Magee for Rogers than it is a fair trade. TFC would sell him abroad if there's no significant MLS return possible. BUT HE CAN'T LEAVE DON'T GO LABA YOU HAVE IMPORTANT WORK TO DO FOR BRADLEY AND CBs.

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    Trade for allocation to pay down Laba's contract? I don't want to lose Laba who has great potential to become an all-star in MLS.

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    no player is worth 1 mil in allocation money (if paying down transfer fee with allocation money after fee has been paid is possible)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    I'm only saying I would rather the sure thing (Laba) than the guy we know nothing about.
    I think Laba can be great, and might be already close to it, but he's played in 16 games for us. Can we hold off on calling him a sure thing for a bit? It's about as ridiculous calling him a sure thing as it is assuming Gilberto won't cut it because of his size and style of which we have never seen on display in our league because he hasn't played a single minute yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanarkist View Post
    It's about as ridiculous calling him a sure thing as it is assuming Gilberto won't cut it because of his size and style of which we have never seen on display in our league because he hasn't played a single minute yet.
    We've seen Laba play for over half a season where as we've seen nothing from Gilberto. So in a sense you can say we've been exposed to Laba infinitely more than Gilberto. We've seen enough of Laba to make a judgement call, if Terry Dunfield were his place all year we'd have finished on par with DC United.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    I know he can't go. But I'm feeling more and more this was a bad move that has us hamstrung. He doesn't have the physical build to be the hold up player to Defoe (which Dike has at least). I'm not sure they'll make a good pairing. We could have got a proven MLSer like Kenny Cooper to be the foil to Defoe for next to nothing. He's a big shot in the dark for a lot of money.
    I agree completley. But I do want to give Gilberto a look first. I would like to keep them both an get in a big cf, but clealry the cap thing gets in the way.

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    Me too, Canary10 has brought up some great points. There's an opportunity cost associated with Gilberto and while it could pan out, it's a gamble considering all that bollocks they fed us about maintaining a core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    If someone has to make way for Bradley, would anyone else dump Gilberto (if it could be done) if it meant keeping Laba?
    YES!!!

    I'd go with Defoe-Dike up front in a heartbeat if it meant keeping Laba-Bradley in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinUtd View Post
    Me too, Canary10 has brought up some great points. There's an opportunity cost associated with Gilberto and while it could pan out, it's a gamble considering all that bollocks they fed us about maintaining a core.
    I dunno, the fans of his various teams seem to love the guy. Everywhere he's played he's seen as underrated by the Brazilian fans; the only people surprised by his success seem to be Internacional.

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    ^ this is my problem, generaly I prefer the bird in hand. In this case the bird I know something about, but Gilberto is a complete unknown to me, other then what I can gather on the internet including PES and FIFA stats, which is clearly not enough.

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    I'd say in Bez we trust on this one. Let's see what this guy can do..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trane View Post
    ^ this is my problem, generaly I prefer the bird in hand. In this case the bird I know something about, but Gilberto is a complete unknown to me, other then what I can gather on the internet including PES and FIFA stats, which is clearly not enough.
    We haven't really had many birds in our hands, man. A few lame ducks, though
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