Ill add to that. While I fucking love Marvell Wynne more than anybody else on this team, he is a good fullback only defensively. The man can cross no better than Adam Braz. With his speed, I would love to see him run at defenders a little more (remember Dichios goal vs Colorado at BMO last year?).
He does need help on positioning, but youve got to give it to him - he makes up for it with his speed pretty much every time. I know thats not on in Europe, but it will do here.
Oh shite I forgot about that beating lol. Yah, screw them tho, we didnt have our team, thats my story and I am sticking to it!
exactly. while we havent gotten the results on the road, i cannot think of any road game where we could have reasonably expected to get a result with the roster we had available and the team we were facing and did not. the only game up for discussion is chicago, and the ref stole that one from us. to quote myself from another thread:
Columbus: we did not have our full team yet (no guevara, ricketts, robert). also our new players were still finding each other (these were the days when velez was still crap)
DC: See Columbus
LA: We won
DC: Sutton coughed up an easy shot, and we lost a close game 3:2. Also note that DC is one of the best teams in the league.
Houston: 3-1 loss. MLS champs.
New England: 2-1 loss, easily could have been a tie (Jarrod Smith missed a tap-in in the dying minutes). Also note that NE are currently the best team in MLS.
Chicago: We wuz robbed. If the ref doesnt fuck up the call on edu, busch is gone (last man - red card), were tied 1-1, and chicago is down a player. Add in Ibrahims goal. Chicago would no longer have the strength to come back in the 92nd.
Yah, tho we have looked bad at times on the road, it is still the rd..
Dont matter... turn around on Tuesday
To quote the great Iron Shiek:
We will make them humble!
NICE! optimism welcome to my world I agree also Marvell has great speed, but it can be exposed on the big pitches like DC where he was caught with his pants down. Don't get me wrong though he's easily our biggest talent in terms of defenders. (JimmyB is a midfielder imo).
i have to agree with jloome on this one.
I saw somebody on another board say this was the worst game they've ever played, which is a totally wrong comment. I guess if you're a newcomer, you haven't see the games in Houston, or the game against NYRB at Giants stadium, or maybe the 3-0 loss to Chicago at home last year.. I could go on.
so to say "we can't score worth a shit" is right. But don't ignore the massive number of good chances and the complete domination of possession. Guevara over the post in the first half... penalty kick... the bad call on the offside that would have had an open net for Ricketts... I could go on.
MLS is a strange beast of parity and if you guys think any team is gonna go around dominating like Man U, then you're gonna be consistently disappointed. even the first place Revs are not exactly blowing people away. most of their wins are by a single goal....... games turn on a dime.
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I too luv Marvel , speed to burn i thought he should have taken the spot kic yesterday.
I totally agree. This is what I posted earlier, and someone said I had my head in my ass. Robert and Ricketts were upgrades, but look who we had last season. They have shown flashes of what we expected, but that's about it. Someone said they carved up the SJ defense, I would hope so. But to be honest I didn't see that. I saw a bad team on the road, play a game that we have never done on the road. They sat back and got a result. Robert, Ricketts and company couldn't break them down. Besides the penalty and the sitter that Guevara missed in the first half what did we create. Nothing. I love TFC, but some people really have to get their heads out of their ass.
I wasn't speaking specifically about yesterday, but the seson in general. They have not been what I expected. As far as them carving up the Earthquakes, I really didn't see that either. We couldn't break them down, and those 2 players should be able to create more than they do. But like I said earlier, they are not as good as advertised. If they were they wouldn't be here. Getting a striker isn't going to be the saviour, we have more problems than that. It's just the obvious one.
An early goal would be the key to winning. If TFC can get ahead in the first 30 minutes, they will probably win this one.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
For cripes sake, we outshot them 12-3. How much more carved up do you want?
The problem here is obvious: scoring. ANd my original point hangs on two important facts: one, an open net, the other a penalty. Guevara is a great player, no doubt (maybe our best), but he choked yesterday. That was a 2-0 win that a single player blew, when it comes down to it. He missed a sitter into an open net and he shot the penalty waist height and too close to Cannon.
End of story, at least on yesterday's game.
But you're right. There are other issues (not even getting into the idiotic statement here earlier than Marvell Wynne is a great defender; he's a great track star right now, and a pretty bloody average defender) that I didn't bring up in starting this thread; I was feeling optimistic. Having said that:
* Our team cohesion is still sorely lacking; I put much of this down to lack of time practising together since the first month of the season, due to the shittily crowed schedule. But obviously that's not enough of an excuse for the lack of aggressive runs into the box and into dangerous lanes towards goal; right now, we move well into open space to maintain control, but that's about it. (And having said that, it's obvious from the Guevara/Rosenlund through ball attempts that Carver is pushing this issue."
* Tactically, we've never performed with offensive aggression while in the 4-5-1. Although it can be useful in that regard when the wingers pinch in,it's obvious this team is too stocked with guys who've only ever used a 4-5-1 defensively (which was the norm for years).
The wingers tend to only move into offesnive space once the ball is already in the defensive zone, which makes it easier for the defense to shift around in their zone and cover people (instead of the wingers coming in earlier and drawing defenders away from the strikers or the ball away from the defenders). We should switch to a proper 442, with two strikers.
I know this is effectively waht they play, with Guevara withdrawn, but guevara is too withdrawn, all match long -- he's never harassing the backline consistently before the ball even gets there with his movement, so they're rarely pulled out of position.
* There's not enough passion during the early stages. We play clinically, which is not only predictable and easy to defend, it also sucks the energy out of our side. I mentioned in a different thread how 3/4 of our players tend to walk when they're off the ball, instead of jogging. They seem deflated unless they're on the ball and don't realize intensity and heart will beat you 9 times out of 10.
* There are times when they seem so intent on team control that they're simply not pushing the play, just shifting it around; about the only time we're direct is from the backline, which is next to useless. As great as Robert was yesterday, for example, I would love on a couple of those neat runs to have seen him simply charge the box and let fly. Guy can hit the thing at over 80 mph, for fuck sake. That's generally true, as evidenced by the fact that 16=year=old ibee is the only striker we have who consistently challenges the defence and puts them on their backfoot. Shit, USL career notwithstanding, Eddie Sebrango would be a step up from the way our strikers have attacked the box.
But again, I'm optimistic despite all that. Why? One, I'm a lifer; this is the second season. It's kind of like having a kid and then being pissed off when it hasn't learned to walk by 9 months; realism suggests patience is required.
Why were you more optimistic? We have no widespread scouting system yet, no production and promotion from our youth academy next, almost no significant talent base to draw from, handicaps in the form of the turf and the (perceived) weather in terms of attracting players, .
Shit, we shouldn't even be having the audacity to think about winning anything outside of the NCC until year five.
I think part of the reason we're all chomping at the bit isn't because we suck so bad; it's because we know with the players we already have, we shouldn't suck at all. And yes, I think a striker knocking a few in consistently would go a long way right now, if not for the inidividual contributions he would bring, then at least for the boost in team morale, which must just be the shits right now.
I tought the team played well yesterday, except for the ability to finish. Some of my observations:
1) Robert was awsome and made some sweet passes/crosses that no one could convert.
2) We have no one who can make a one touch play
3) Ricketts seems to be incapable of beating anyone one on one ... he got nothing
If we could get a good one touch striker ... and get Dichio's head back for crosses ... things would be much better
YOU KNOW WHAT? I've had just about enough of your lies and exagerations. DO ME A FAVOR. Find me the situations in the game where Robert tried to do to much of the ball? watch the damn game back if you're a real supporter and write down the time on the clock where he tries to take on too many players and loses the ball????
You are full of crap. I've watched the game twice now on replay and there are two times Robert loses the ball. Both times he's given the ball when two guys are right on him, he has no choice but to try and kick it off the players or get it back to the defender. That's what you call Robert trying to OFTEN to take on too many players?
Now would you like me to count the number of times he put in great balls? Breakaway to Ricketts, Breakaway to Ibbey where he gets hauled down, also beats two players on the left wing and put a cross in that goes out for a corner. Trust me that's one tiny bit of what he did, that's just off the top of my head. HE SHOULD TAKE ON PLAYERS MORE OFTEN BECAUSE HE SEEMS TO BEAT THEM WHEN HE DOES!!!
Stop being a damn cancer on this board and start doing something productive with your life, the first step to that would be leaving this board and posting on a Leaf's board!
I miss Collin Samuel.
At least he shot the damned ball.
Samuel's quality of play was a disgrace to football.
Did the USA , of all countries, just fix soccer? - C. Ronaldo, May 27th commenting on the FBI-led investigations into fraud and corruption throughout FIFA.
Samuel wasn't fit. He should never have played in the state he was in, and I used to hate watching him.
That is until we beat New York 2-1 and he became a good player with a beast of a shot.
We could use some of that strength up front and those high power low drives from outside the box these days.
just sayin'
OMG standard over reaction we get from you every week, only person that needs to wake up is you.
1. We completely dominated the game, same as the Columbus and KC games and the second White Caps game
2. Robert played GREAT! first half put in a lot of early crosses, realized that Ibe was completely alone in the box with 5 defenders so he changed his game around and started taking on defenders in order to give others time to get into the box in the second half
3. Carver has a 16 year old kid and Cunningham as choices up front and every game in the last 8 our finishing has been the key issue
4. Mo has put offers in to 5-6 quality scorers (as far as MLS quality goes) and he's been rejected, not much more he can do, except put in more offers
5. we're still only 3 points off 3rd place in the conference
i think everyone has forgotten that we're a second year team and that we're still missing a major piece of the puzzle. If we had a quality striker those nil-nil draws would have been perfect 1-0 wins