So, the answer to fix this mess of a club is to fire the most experienced person and retain the least experienced person.
Got it.
So, the answer to fix this mess of a club is to fire the most experienced person and retain the least experienced person.
Got it.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
And next season the new GM fires the coach and round and round we go. LOL
Go to love it.
This is a joke right?Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud
TL can suck my balls
Wow, earth shattering news from TFC land. My take on Payne was that he liked to build slow, like when he was at DC United and made it a powerhouse for 4-5 years. Then he got abit stale at DC and suffered bad seasons. TL obviously is under pressure from the owners to win championships and keep selling season tickets. Thats why he succeeded in LA when he brough in Beckham. LA started selling ticket like crazy anf had a megastar playing. He's not patient and probably blames KP for not landing Forlan and making TL look like fool when he leaked the story to G & M. If Forlan wanted 2-1/2 years, TFC should've obliged and worry about re-negotiation down the road. Now with Forlan not wanting to be here, TL now has to chase his megastar during the World Cup and sell his pitch to lead TFC to glory. I get the feeling that TL and Garber butted heads in the past. Payne was Garber's man and him being canned doesn't look good on Garber. At the same time TL was running AEG and had to interact with Garber about MLS and how to save it. I think TFC will take more years to come to provide stable ownership. KP and TL should've burnt the TFC house down woth Cochrane and co an started afresh with new blood. Now it looks like RN will be gone soon with the new GM wantin to put his own guy there whenever he arrives here.
You don't rate Laba or Bendik or Osorio or Caldwell?
Compare the squad to who was playing at this point last season. We are better. But we lack the necessary creative midfielder and the consistent striker to compete in this league.
Has there ever been a sports franchise, anywhere, that's gone through as many personnel changes in a comparative period of time as TFC has? I don't even think the Yankees under Steinbrenner experienced this much upheaval. One thing for sure is, TL better get the next hire right.
Well just look at Newell's Old Boys.
Pablo Alejandro Marini (1 March 2007–30 Sept 07)
Player wise I think we have to be #1
Rumblings on twitter that Payne is not the only one in the TFC front office cleaning out his office tonight.... cochrane? (we can only hope)
Side before self, every time - The one and only Billy Bremner
Supporting TFC and Leeds United : Never a dull moment
I dunno, it's tough. I think he might have done the right thing. I don't think, based on other teams' efforts, that our scouting and player signing base was wide enough. We ignored lots of productive, lower cost targets and managed to sign several guys who probably aren't good enough to start at this level.
Given that Onstad followed Payne from DC, he might be next to go.
I've felt pretty underwhelmed by both Payne's signings (Other than Laba, and Caldwell who I think was Nelsen's) and his inability to pick up some DP talent, plus the lack of something coming back for Silva. These days, the good teams in this league just do better, and it's not because they have a "rep". No on in MLS has a rep relative to world football other than the Galaxy. It's that they're willing to move on if the deal isn't right, and to do it quickly.
WE signed Rey for $200,000 per season. He might turn out to be a good player, another dependable winger like Soolsma. But even then, that's steep money for a winger unless he's a bonafide starter.
We signed Elmer from the Swiss League a month ago. He has yet to play. We signed the kid from the Silverbacks. Is he even with the team still? We missed productive, day-one players in the draft in favor of Canadian kids who aren't good enough or ready.
I mean, wasn't Payne mostly just more of the same? We still haven't had the kind of major player improvements required to compete pretty much regardless of who is coaching. That's on Payne.
I don't really credit Payne with Laba or Bendik; Laba was heavily scouted by numerous teams and a well-known commodity. Bendik was a make-weight -- they started Frei in training camp, remember? He broke his nose. Bendik made the most of his chance, but he wasn't signed to be a starter. Nelsen almost certainly was responsible for Caldwell, and Osorio was a walk on after trying out for the academy.
So no, the fact that we're marginally better (but not in record, almost identical) in terms of personnel is not enough.
well..... you shouldn't have....
Dennis Wise England
24 October 2006 28 January 2008 68 30 12 26 88 78 50.00 [2] Gwyn Williams Wales
29 January 2008 29 January 2008 1 0 0 1 0 1 00.00 Gary McAllister Scotland
30 January 2008 21 December 2008 50 25 8 17 84 61 55.33 see below [3] Simon Grayson 23 December 2008 1 February 2012 169 84 40 45 259 186 57.59 see below [4] Neil Redfearn 1 February 2012 18 February 2012 4 2 0 2 8 6 50.00 [2] Neil Warnock 18 February 2012 1 April 2013 63 23 15 25 81 92 44.44 Neil Redfearn 1 April 2013 12 April 2013 1 0 0 1 1 2 00.00 Brian McDermott 12 April 2013 Present 10 6 2 2 13 9 66.67
I'm going to go for a cry now.....
Side before self, every time - The one and only Billy Bremner
Supporting TFC and Leeds United : Never a dull moment
Yeah, was just thinking about that, haha. But certainly in a North American context, we've got to be right up there.well..... you shouldn't have....
Dennis Wise 24 October 2006 28 January 2008 68 30 12 26 88 78 50.00 [2] Gwyn Williams 29 January 2008 29 January 2008 1 1 1 00.00 Gary McAllister 30 January 2008 21 December 2008 50 25 8 17 84 61 55.33 see below [3] Simon Grayson 23 December 2008 1 February 2012 169 84 40 45 259 186 57.59 see below [4] Neil Redfearn 1 February 2012 18 February 2012 4 2 2 8 6 50.00 [2] Neil Warnock 18 February 2012 1 April 2013 63 23 15 25 81 92 44.44 Neil Redfearn 1 April 2013 12 April 2013 1 1 1 2 00.00 Brian McDermott 12 April 2013 Present 10 6 2 2 13 9 66.67
I'm going to go for a cry now.....
He poached a widely acclaimed young GM with a bucket if cash from Denver for the Raps. I don't see why he couldn't do the same for TFC. The egos and the reputations of GMs in MLS could be made as the guy who turned the TFC shitshow around. Leiweke might be an over-controlling egomaniac, but he has more recent MLS cups on his résumé than Payne.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
Several weeks ago I began writing about Payne's incompetence and bs particularly surrounding the idiotic Silva trade. I have fond memories of the robust attacks I endured here. But alas, again, with a little humbleness, I am right again. I have predicted each of the gm firings of the past, this one came a bit sooner than I expected. Of course, next to go is Nelsen. A new manager will bring his own coach. Done, and done.
As it relates to the Galaxy success, he signed Beckham, and that's it. He talks a big game, but he was never a personnel guy there. He's a guy who woke up on third base and thought he hit a triple.
I guess if Seattle wins, Drew Carey will be in big demand to be a GM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
I wouldn't be quite that certain about the facts on that. We'll never know now, I'm guessing.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Leiweke was running the show. Let him put the pieces in place like he did in LA. He obviously didn't think Payne was one of the pieces. I'm not saying he was the personnel guy in LA, but to compare him to a minority owner who's a mouthpiece is just lame on your part and insults my intelligence. Save the hyperbole, please.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
Food for thought. The current Barca manager rated him at NOB. Can't be all bad.
Am I missing something hear? is TL taking over as GM himself (and that would be a massive mistake)
all TL needs to go out and get his guy like he got Arena in LA , and Carey and Co got Sigi
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Side before self, every time - The one and only Billy Bremner
Supporting TFC and Leeds United : Never a dull moment
Still clearly remember his "I fucking INVENTED the DP!" comment at the meeting Thursday night. Yeah, Tim, I guess you could say that in a roundabout way...
Sometimes, it's not the things we say, it's how we choose to say them.
Cathal In Star writes about a list of potential Italian players offered to TFC that Payne rejected. Anybody know about this? What a fucking shame if this were true
On the upside, even if he doesn't know dick about soccer, he might know people. He got rid of Lalas in LA, and Alexi was a very Payne-like "from the hip" guy.
I'll take a president who's ruthless, as long as his own signings are equal game. Not that I expect it.
You know, The same thought crossed my mind.
Cmon. Lots of people think Arena was forced on Leiweke. The only thing he was responsible for, for sure, was Beckham, which was a disaster until Arena arrived.
btw "Save the hyperbole"? On an internet board discussion relating to Tim Leiweke? That is funny!!
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
It all started with that idiotic, self-serving video series of Payne at the draft. Maybe MLSE talked him into it because they like to produce such things. But as soon as he realised that the camera was on him, even when he walked out of an interview to take a phone call! (geez), he must have thought this is it: I'm a star! Then, he would have started watching the whole series at home: I really am a star; imagine all the people of Toronto are watching this, too. Memo to TL: do not, repeat do not, repeat video hype of anyone on the club before they have actually won something, and even then, keep it short and simple; i.e., he shoots, he scores, we win.
I'm happy the Raps got Masai Ujiri, definitely deserves credit for that. I just have a harder time believing he can do the same with TFC because of the history, not to mention the rejection of a wonderful present from the MLS. You know what they say about gift horses. I acknowledge his accomplishments and really hope he has aces up his sleeve.
I bet you any money after Roma game, Lewieke realize how stupid it was not to target an Italian player in this market. I wouldn't be surprised if one of DP's next season is an Italian.
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