Pre/In/Post - Matchday 12: Toronto at New England, Sat 25 May, 730pm

[TOBOR !]

On the bright side, I got the grass cut, squeezed in a run and found a four-pack of Old Speckled Hen I'd forgotten about. Another loss for TFC ? Meh.

[69Chevy396]

The technical expertise in MLS is quite low.

Right, and never more apparent than on TFC

[DoubleUp]

I agree.

But, if I might point out, one of the best technical players we had in the first few years was a certain carthouse centre forward named Dichio. The technical expertise in MLS is quite low.

E.g. Di Vaio looked like a genius tonight by scoring with the outside of his non-usual striking boot.

To me, Ephraim is a great technician with the ball. He just can't get to it when there is no cart horse around him banging bodies. He's like a decent NHL centre who needs a grinding banging winger to allow him space.

There are decent UK technical players. But they need a system around them to succeed.

fair enough but even Dichio played in Italy giving him a more well rounded game because he actually left the Uk to ply his trade and had to learn to adjust to continental football.



But Koevs is the far more techincal of the two, because he comes from a country where technical ability is the order of the day.

[69Chevy396]

I use the EPL because its the Apex of English football(overrun by foreigner players/managers)


I understand your point about the lower leagues, but I think its a losing battle because most of TFC's supporters, support these lower league teams that you speak of.

I appreciate this, and there will always be a strong attachment here to English football, but it simply has not worked here.

[Hamilton_Red]

What has Payne done for the team. Its worse than last year.

[reggie]

maybe another 25% off for next season?

[MG42]

.. oh. sorry. I must`ve stumbled into the wrong thread. I was looking for tonight`s game thread, but this appears to be the thread from the Columbus game... or the San Jose game... or could it be that I've fallen into a wormhole and this is for the Philadelphia game ?

Or '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '12?

[TOBOR !]

^ pretty much

[torfchamilton]

I have said this before and maybe Nelson has said it, but if he had all the players that he wanted what would our style of play be? As a brand new coach does he know how he wants to play the game?

[cementhead]

This team is a joke!How long before we score another goal!

[reggie]

from PB TWITTER...congratz to George gillett on yr second win in a row...JUS KIDDIN

[Morlesio14]

laba was good, a player to build around

[DoubleUp]

I appreciate this, and there will always be a strong attachment here to English football, but it simply has not worked here.

I agree!. Besides whats seen by the top teams in the prem(city,united,chelsea,arsenal,tottenham) or the watfords and swanseas of the world.


There is nothing about that football that should be copied or replicated except for the fitness regime.



Its on those fans to say enough is enough "I dont care if I can't understand his english and his name his hard to say when I've had a couple pints I want quality football".

[torfchamilton]

Its on those fans to say enough is enough "I dont care if I can't understand his english and his name his hard to say when I've had a couple pints I want quality football".

Totally agree, enough is enough.

[jazzy]

they do have a union.

http://www.mlsplayers.org/

my bad ..ok if mls didn't own everything, contracts..etc surely teams would be forced to sharpen up or be a losing cause.....uhhh ....so whats our excuse...I give up.....btw we have a big problem , not just losing but , this is really horrible football. We do not have offensive guidance. and / or ability....FFS why Lambe? and as people in posts have often mentioned we can't have Laba and Hall both on at the same time. Osorio has to be a starter FFs,....we will never improve until we get a IMPORTANT AM......not a hole filler but a top quality player. We scare no one! To win we need an amazing defence and we only have an adequate one. I get a headache from some of these games. who cares about promises that simply means again next yeart we`ll be at our familiar spot of rebuilding. The entertainment value is AGAIN nowhere to be found.......not being negative, unfortunately it`s my team but, god TO could use some fresh air these days, very tiring.

[JohnnyEnglish]

Why would you hire someone from the least tactical countries/league in world football. English football is extremely linear and is centered around players being big, strong and fast.


but I will say english football has the fittest players in the game though. But technical players become legends instantly.

Cantona, Zola, Ronaldo, makelele

This couldn't be much further from the truth, but humoring it for a second, our two wall of fame players came straight out of the english second tier.

The lack of communication today was frustrating, we need to be more vocal out there. In my opinion, so does Nelson. The coach of the team a goal down with 20 to go should not be leaning against his dugout silent.

Far too many simple mistake, many from our better players. O'Dea's freekicks and general distribution isn't working. It really doesn't look like we put any training when it comes to set pieces.

Earnshaw backing into the defender looking to draw a foul continuously isn't working. Playing the ball over the top and exploiting the space can be successful, Columbus has success trying this against us last weekend. Playing the ball to the head of a 5ft 10 striker is completely different.

[DoubleUp]

This couldn't be much further from the truth, but humoring it for a second, our two wall of fame players came straight out of the english second tier.

The lack of communication today was frustrating, we need to be more vocal out there. In my opinion, so does Nelson. The coach of the team a goal down with 20 to go should not be leaning against his dugout silent.

Far too many simple mistake, many from our better players. O'Dea's freekicks and general distribution isn't working. It really doesn't look like we put any training when it comes to set pieces.

Earnshaw backing into the defender looking to draw a foul continuously isn't working. Playing the ball over the top and exploiting the space can be successful, Columbus has success trying this against us last weekend. Playing the ball to the head of a 5ft 10 striker is completely different.

I assume your talking about Tfc, and your statement is correct but doesnt negate the fact those two "wall of famers" were part of losing teams.

I dont know if you are just trying to be the voice of desent but what I am saying is 7 years of observation. Even when we hired a manager from a different football philosphy the "oi oi" bunch sabotaged his efforts said he was too strict(when thats what the club needed) and got him removed.


Now we are back to linear hoofball, as tactical choice.

[adam1001]

Or '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '12?

I miss '09. The only season where we were remotely close to playoff soccer.

[reggie]

frankly im sick of earnshaw and his on holiday pics...I hope he is enjoying his holiday

[notthesun]

What has Payne done for the team. Its worse than last year.

Actually we're 3 points ahead of where we were last year.

[69Chevy396]

I miss '09. The only season where we were remotely close to playoff soccer.

Nobody left from that team

[adam1001]

Nobody left from that team

Yeah. The turnover rate of this team has been shocking, to say the least.

[jazzy]

As for those crying for Nelson to be out, no. We won't have a decent team until the summer of 2014. The team we had back in December was worse then an expansion franchise. The players we have are not what we will have. Most of us said that the team that starts the season will not look anything like the team that ends it. The summer window will see how we do.


Nelson has an idea of how he wants to play. We don't have the players to be able to play that, yet. We won't have a decent team until the summer of 2014. In the meantime, he is finding out, slowly, how bad some players are.

Many of us have identified who have been issues, and eventually, Nelson sees that too (usually when they make a few glaring errors causing us to lose possession or causing a goal). This is the week where Nelson hopefully saw that Lambe is just not effective as a starter.

Frankly, on the team that was out there today, I only expect Silva, Laba, Caldwell, Henry, & Bendik to be starting games next season.

We won't have a decent team until the summer of 2014.

Payne and the MLSE brass know this.
This is going to be one painfull season.

you make good points but why does Lambe start always...he`s said he likes him....until he`s on the bench we are ineffective on his side. and to be really ridiculous Amerikwa has just scored for Fire.....hahah

[69Chevy396]

Actually we're 3 points ahead of where we were last year.

We should have a parade

[jloome]

the "oi oi" bunch sabotaged his efforts .

Totally inaccurate. Of the frequent anti-winter posters, only Exiled was a British football fan and even then it was premier league. Roogsy, the biggest opponent on this board and the most vocal of the well-known fan group members, called for more South American players to be considered.

The "anti-winter" crowd were premature, there's no doubt, but he was never going to succeed, both due to his own direction and the complete lack of support from the club and front office.

I'm not sure what will happen. I'm a fan, either way. I'd like to think that given time to adjust, we'll see Nelsen improve on this. But I'm not sure based on the players chosen and signed so far or the tactical approach taken that either Nelsen or Payne are the saviors they've been set out to be.

[DoubleUp]

frankly im sick of earnshaw and his on holiday pics...I hope he is enjoying his holiday

As far as Earnshaw, my biggest problem is that he doesnt trust his team mates enough to lay the ball off. He started to do it when Brockie got up there with him though.

The guys in the attack just need more time to work on schemes and gel.

[JohnnyEnglish]

frankly im sick of earnshaw and his on holiday pics...I hope he is enjoying his holiday

He's scored 45% of our league goals this season. I'm sure he's enjoying his holiday.

[DoubleUp]

Totally inaccurate. Of the frequent anti-winter posters, only Exiled was a British football fan and even then it was premier league. Roogsy, the biggest opponent on this board and the most vocal of the well-known fan group members, called for more South American players to be considered.

The "anti-winter" crowd were premature, there's no doubt, but he was never going to succeed, both due to his own direction and the complete lack of support from the club and front office.

I'm not sure what will happen. I'm a fan, either way. I'd like to think that given time to adjust, we'll see Nelsen improve on this. But I'm not sure based on the players chosen and signed so far or the tactical approach taken that either Nelsen or Payne are the saviors they've been set out to be.

I guess you want to take a swing as well, but I was speaking about the Management team Winter was given to work with not the supporters on this Board but I'm glad even you must admit that there is an element amongst the supporters.


Constantly indicting our technical players for being pricks, but praising less technical hacks because they get "stuck in" and play with heart.


We even had a "bad attitude thread" that probably contained 85% of TFC's most skilled players ever.

[DoubleUp]

We should have a parade

[TFC07]

Just reading this thread, I am glad I didn't watch the game tonight.

The only thing we got looking forward to is Danny K's return and summer window. Outside of that, this team is boring to watch and they're not even winning to justify their style of play. Time to change tactics and apply more attacking oriented line up instead of playing defensive.