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Reds & Impact Rivalry Heats Up
Reds Turn Up Short In Montreal
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Montreal's Schallibaum and Toronto's Eckersley involved in postgame scuffle
Montreal Impact may be perfect, but players are not happy after derby win vs. Toronto
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We've had a very close vote for the scarf competition between three scarves, so we are havig a run-off vote, open until next Sunday. Members can vote here: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showth...rf-competition
Also, memberships are being taken, both new and renewal. Board status will be changed back to "registered user" at the end of March. Please contact me to confirm that your membership remains up uninterupted!
And, Tuesday night, details will be posted (and the line begins) for those with kids that want to participate as a player escort for a game coming up soon!
Sports Business Journal reports that ex-AEG President/CEO Tim Leiweke is "in the mix" for the vacant CEO position at MLSE. That would be a blockbuster if it happens.
Wow, that's interesting. That would be huge if it happened. Let's hope.Originally Posted by Detroit_TFC
That would be a fantastic choice, if it could be pulled off. AEG is a lot like ML$E in many ways, being a multi-sports and entertainment congolmerate: the huge difference is that AEG has had winning teams, not just great income statements. It would be the biggest statement to the city that Bogers is serious about turning their teams around and building a better corporate culture, something that was highly disfunctional under the Teachers' ownership.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Player Ratings For Saturday Bendix(6)
Eckersley(6)---Califf(5)---Odea(6)---Morgan(4)
Hall(5)---Dunfield(5)---Ephraim(5)---Lamb(5)
Bostock(5)---Earnshaw(7) Subs all (6)
I don't know if Leiweke could work for an organization in which he has little final say - which is the way MLSE is set up now...
With the board making all final calls, being split 2-votes Bell, 2-votes Rogers, 1-vote Tannenbaum - I only see Lieweke coming in if Larry T wants him hear, has a good relationship with him, and they're on the same page...
If that happens, they control the vote - and personally I think that would be a great thing, as Leiweke is a winner, something MLSE desperately need...
"...Money wasn't tight, but it like, it wasn't right..."
Is that how the board split over firing Burke? Sometimes it looks like Bell and Goerge Cope is completely in charge. And he seems to be able to delegate. I'll be interesting to see how it works when Rogers gets its new CEO.
It's really 4 votes Bell/Rogers. They vote together as a block. But Bell does seem to be the one who controls it.
http://www.brandfinance.com/images/u...rands_2012.pdf
According to this report, TFC is 5th most valuable team in MLS and 78th in the world
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
That is really interesting, thanks!
It's of note that the Sounders are worth 3x what TFC is worth, partly showing the advantage of an uncrowded sports market.
MLS has little brand value, interestingly enough, it's only it's top-supported clubs that have value.
Funny that they consider TFC's and the WC's "league" to be the Canadian Championship. I guess for international purposes, it is.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 03-18-2013 at 11:31 AM.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Vancouver is above us. Hmmm.
I meant to put this rumour up earlier, was going to do something funny with it. It was on BS the day the AEG sale was pulled and Leiweke's departure was announced.
Leiweke worked for Anschutz, he could handle Cope or whomever.
Leiweke is personally rich, he doesn't need to do anything he doesn't feel like doing. He is an LA guy through and through, google the guy, he's seriously an inside Hollywood player. He's deeply involved in the Democratic party (he is rumoured to be interested in running for the Senate) and he personally is leading the effort to bring an NFL team to LA (this apparently led to friction with Anschutz).
I have trouble believing this is likely. In fact I think it's impossible to believe.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Bayern is ahead of Real Madrid and Barcelona? Ahead of Chelsea, Arsenal, AC Milan?
As a brand? That is a joke.
If you see someone wearing a red football shirt on the streets of Beijing or Delhi, that shirt is a Liverpool (majority) or Arsenal shirt 99% of the time.
Last edited by ensco; 03-18-2013 at 12:10 PM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
welcome back denime!
we all missed the D.
Fixed your post.
You are right of course. I was accepting the premise that Manchester United is number one.Fixed your post.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Nah, it's Larry Vs. the Telco's from most of the reports out there. He was operating in a power vacuum previously and thought he was in charge, but the new ownership group has put a pretty heavy stamp on it and more or less told him to buzz off. This is what was rumored to of happened in the case of Burke, who Larry seemed to like but Bogers decided to cull based on the strategic review from the internal consultants. This was all in an feature in the globe and mail, written by reporters who cover the business side who are far more credible than the types who write the sports drivel.
Bell and Rogers wouldn't have gone into this at all if they didn't have an idea of how to control this property collectively. So they're doing that effectively, for now at least.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56...-lake.html.csp
Story of RSL's new owner and how he bought RSL. While on the field RSL was successful, but on the business side, not so much for a long time
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
That is a GREAT answer.
It's Larry vs nobody. It's more than an idea, Bell and Rogers are legally and contractually bound to vote as one. See Section 10 of the approval, they don't hold their shares separately, they hold them in a numbered company that they each own 50% of. The numbered company holds the MLSE shares.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/2012-443.htm
Larry gets to go be a figurehead at the NHL Board of Governors, but that's it. Larry is neutered. Whoever comes as CEO, he will be hired by Bogers and he will work for Bogers.
Last edited by ensco; 03-18-2013 at 02:20 PM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2013/0...aw-celebration
Not really news but a Robbie Earnshaw interview that is buried on the Toronto FC TV website.
So just in case you missed it like I did, here ya go.
I don't know how much stock we should put in something that places Orlando City FC 2 spots higher than the San Jose Earthquakes. Heck, even the Rochester Rhinos made the list! How can USL Pro teams be ranked higher than NASL teams!?
Welcome back D. And thanks to those of you who filled in.
Ecks gets in a post game scuffle??
Must be something in the water in TO ...
Did you see John Carver get into it at the 1/2 of the Newcastle/Wigan game yesterday?
http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showth...-McManaman-row
I always loved JC for his obvious passion for the game and his club
Last edited by Mark in Ottawa; 03-18-2013 at 04:08 PM.
How were the
rankings compiled?
The Brand Finance Index of ‘The Brand Finance®
Football Brands 2012’ was compiled using, where
available, publicly available information regarding
market share, market growth and company
financials. Our main sources of publicly available
data were the Deloitte Football Money League
Report, Bloomberg, individual football club Annual
Reports and press releases. Brand value was
derived using a ‘relief from royalty’ method that
values brands according to the cost of re-licensing
them from a hypothetical third party.
To compile the ranking we looked at the top 70
clubs in Europe and then at select top clubs
from the rest of the world.
What is a brand value?
We define the brand as the trademark and associated
intellectual property. Football clubs are made up of
a mixture of fixed tangible assets (stadium, training
ground) and disclosed intangible assets (purchased
players) with brand value, internally developed players
& goodwill making up the difference to provide the
combined clubs value.
How do we measure it’s value?
We use the Royalty Relief method. This approach assumes
the company doesn’t own their brand and must license
it from a theoretical third party. The method determines
how much it would cost to do this. It is called the Royalty
Relief method because when a business owns their brand
they are ‘relieved’ from paying a ‘royalty’ rate for its use.
Royalty Relief Approach
The Royalty Relief method is used for three main
reasons:
1. It is the most recognised by technical authorities
worldwide and favoured accounting, tax and legal
users because it calculates brand values by reference to comparably third-party transactions.
2. The method ties back to the commercial reality of
brands and their ability to command a premium in
an arm’s length transaction.
3. It can be performed on the basis of publicly available financial information
How does the Royalty Relief approach work?
Determine forecast revenues - referencing historic
trends market growth estimates, competitive forces,
analyst projections and company forecasts.
1. Assess the Brand Strength – we use our
βrandβeta® Index which in the case of football
clubs scores domestic and European honours, club
heritage, revenue scale and split, attendances and
global reach amongst others to benchmark the
brands against each other.
2. Establish a Royalty Rate – we review comparable
licensing agreements as well as analysing margins
and value drivers to establish a royalty rate range
for the sector and revenue stream. The βrandβeta®
is then applied to find the correct royalty rate for
each brand within the range.
3. Determine the Discount Rate – this allows us to
calculate the net present value (NPV) of the brand’s
future earnings, therefore putting future benefits in
today’s terms.
4. Brand Valuation Calculation – steps 1-3 are then
brought together to determine the NPV of post-tax
royalties, which is the brand value.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I've spent a few more minutes looking at that Brand Finance thing.
Imagine I offered you the global rights to sell jerseys and TV broadcasts of all FC Seoul games or Boca Juniors games. They are the same price, and you only get to pick one. What do people seriously think would happen? These guys rank FC Seoul higher.
These geniuses have Ajax and OM (OM!) ranked above Juve. Aston Villa above Roma. FC Basel above West Ham and Valencia. The Whitecaps above River Plate.
It has many nonsensical results in North America. The poster above has a couple of good ones. My favorite is that 6 MLS teams are ahead of Cruz Azul. (Do these brainiacs realize that top Mexican teams get 25x the TV revenues that MLS teams get?)
Bayern has half the revenues, and probably sells 1/10th the jerseys, of Real Madrid and Barcelona. It's also not their equal in terms of trophies, past or present. But is somehow ranked higher.
Reading through the pages of the supposed "mathematical" methodology of this, makes me laugh. Sign of the times, "models" masquerading as understanding. This stupid model is not worth the confetti it is printed on.
Last edited by ensco; 03-18-2013 at 07:06 PM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
World is changing and economy is booming in Asia (China and India) which I am sure plays a huge part why some of teams who aren't popular here are worth more than teams we usually consider popular. Teams like Juve, Roma, Boca don't have that big of global following especially in China and India. FC Bayern in another hand are popular due to heavy marketing they do in China and India especially compare to Bacra and Real Madrid. Of course English teams are very popular so I am not surprised to see teams like Aston Villa above teams like Roma.
Just. Wow.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Prove me wrong.
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