De Vos makes a good point.... if QPR looking for replacement the price will be over inflated because Nelsen named coach of TFC.Originally Posted by Greatest Ripoff
De Vos makes a good point.... if QPR looking for replacement the price will be over inflated because Nelsen named coach of TFC.
That's common knowledge, buying in Jan is often referred to as panic buying. Other teams knows you're desperate and don't have much time and will inflate their price accordingly. Fergie although he has himself bought in the past in Jan does not like doing it for that very reason and has publicly stated that in the past.The real reason teams will make QPR pay over the odds is that their chariman has money and has shown he isn't afraid to use it. 2 classic examples of paying way over the odds in Jan are Torres and Carroll. Newcastle knew Liverpool had money and needed a striker asap after selling Torres and got 35 mil for a player who would struggle in the mls.
Here we go...
Surely there was someone else to hire.
http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/mls/story/?id=413260
Just when we thought everything was going in the Right direction.
Not so fast!
FFS!!!!
GlenM
"You play to win the game"
Herm Edwards - Former NFL Coach
New TFC slogan: Making disasters before it even happens.
Seriously this has potential failure written all over, kind of feel he is setup for failure even with Payne involved. Comming late June with half the season done feels like his "on the job learning" is going to be set back by another full season.
Hondurian MF back out of deal, this going to fail period.
Harry will do something and this deal will fall thru.
Interim coach
MLSE = EPIC fail
Just a marriage made in heaven or H#!!
GlenM
"You play to win the game"
Herm Edwards - Former NFL Coach
right, so does Devos have a problem that Sam Allardyce didn't get his coaching badges? What about Roy Hodgson? Alex Ferguson? Martin O'Neill, Harry Redknapp and Sir Bobby Robson? What about Edgar Davids at Barnet? Did these people ruin it for everyone else who got their coaching badges? Devos comes off as very bitter because Nelsen didn't have to jump through the hoops that he did.
How about a real response?
Devos is really starting to piss me off.
Nelson still under contract at QPR, Burke staying on as advisor.
So when looking at MLSE in the past week, their major moves can be summed up like this:
They've hired a guy who isn't going to show up for work and they've fired a guy who isn't actually leaving.
You couldn't dream this stuff up. We're f*d.
thats why i untwittered devos,rollins,molinaro,im bored with there shit..
it cant get any worse then a 0and 9 start or a winless in 14 can it?
bottomline we need better players....
Do you honestly expect me to think that because a few exceptions to the rule exist that the usefulness of having licenses/badges is diminished? That is ridiculous and barely worth more than the Picard facepalm that you got.
Also, to suggest that De Vos is having a meltdown because someone else without badges got a job is equally ridiculous. Agree with him or not, but give him a little credit. He is knee deep in helping to promote/develope the LTDP which is designed to improve coaching across Canada. He is well educated on the process and value of the badges.
To suggest that those courses are completely without value because a number of famous coaches succeeded without them is absurd. I will not contend that they are absolutely necessary, but to say they are a detriment is well beyond the pale of reason.
So once again:
Yep, seems like his bitterness is growing on a daily basis.
I'd love to see Canadians running the show as much as everybody else but I don't see any strong candidates at this point. Maybe you can argue we aren't grooming people so they are in a position to take the next step, but as fully qualified head coaches? I don't see anyone who would compare favorably to Ryan Nelsen.
KEEM-O-SABI (RPB) for TFC head coach!
problem solved.
NOTICE: Wager with STB: OVER 2 shots on goal in the First half wins a Pint at HT.
So bad mouthing from a distance until you see a winner makes you not a sucker? Alright. Your opinion is well noted, "Toronto".
I'm not sure what else I was expecting from the email. I expected positivity and hope for the season and got it. The appreciation towards the club and support is mutual to an extent but I didn't take offense at it. I don't get why one would. They can't hand us wins in advance...
FORMER FULL TIME KOOL-AID DRINKER
Irny. Keemo is 'Murican.
I understand the confusion tho. We love him like our own and he's done more for footy here than most of us.
FORMER FULL TIME KOOL-AID DRINKER
Do you honestly expect me to think that because a few exceptions to the rule exist that the usefulness of having licenses/badges is diminished? That is ridiculous and barely worth more than the Picard facepalm that you got.
Also, to suggest that De Vos is having a meltdown because someone else without badges got a job is equally ridiculous. Agree with him or not, but give him a little credit. He is knee deep in helping to promote/develope the LTDP which is designed to improve coaching across Canada. He is well educated on the process and value of the badges.
To suggest that those courses are completely without value because a number of famous coaches succeeded without them is absurd. I will not contend that they are absolutely necessary, but to say they are a detriment is well beyond the pale of reason.
So once again:
I've never said it was detriment, please show me where I've said that. I do think freak out because someone doesn't have their badges is ludicrous. And that is what the media and some supporters are currently doing.
Jason Kreis @JasonKreis
@AlexiLalas From one with USSF "A" License: it does not matter! Welcome to Ryan Nelsen - and good luck!
A few??
Sam Allardyce
Jimmy Armfield
Len Ashurst
Ron Atkinson
Alan Ball
Dave Bassett
Ian Branfoot
Michael Buckley
George Burley
Mick Buxton
Frank Clark
Steve Clark
Arthur Cox
Alan Curbishley
Sir Alex Ferguson
Brian Flynn
Gerry Francis
Trevor Francis
Barry Fry
Bobby Gould
Dario Gradi
George Graham
Billy Hamilton
Ray Harford
Trevor Hartley
Glenn Hoddle
Roy Hodgson
Brian Horton
Don Howe
Kevin Keegan
Joe Kinnear
Lennie Lawrence
Brian Little
Lou Macari
Roy McFarland
Colin Murphy
Martin O'Neill
David Pleat
Harry Redknapp
Peter Reid
Bruce Rioch
Sir Bobby Robson
Joe Royle
John Rudge
Dave Sexton
Denis Smith
Jim Smith
Walter Smith
Graeme Souness
Graham Turner
Graham Taylor
Terry Venables
John Ward
Neil Warnock
Danny Wilson
Paul Smith
Micky Adams
Keith Alexander
Kevan Broadhurst
Steve Bruce
Chris Coleman
Andy Hessenthaler
Glyn Hodges
Ian Holloway
Paul Jewell
Andy King
Gary McAllister
Gary Megson
Ronnie Moore
Mike Newell
Rob Newman
David O'Leary
Andy Preece
Peter Reid
Steve McClaren
Mick Tait
Last edited by Greatest Ripoff; 01-11-2013 at 01:45 PM.
Pete personally it's this part that I find offensive.
"The commitment and dedication of the management team, the world-class facilities, and the support from Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment make this club a beacon for others in the league."
yes Payne has come but it hasn't washed away the bad taste left by years of mismanagement. only time and progress can do that.
if we are a beacon it's to warn other teams of what can happen without proper stewardship.
there's no reason to send a message like this. a simple greeting and hope for the future would have done a lot more, not marketing propaganda. this was written by someone that is trying to impress their boss and doesn't give a shit about who it's going to.
Who Knows so many people talking????
From : http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/mls/story/?id=413260
plume_d'alouette 1 hour ago
I heard he is leaving qpr right now, and that he has unbelievable coaching mind. He really helped NZ in the worldcup somaybe you guys should wait before judging him.
He's been using the "maple leaf factor" to promote himself since he retired from playing.
He was very obviously angling for the President job, which Payne ultimately got.
Then he was pushing for a Canadian to take the head coaching job (he mentioned Daso, which obviously wouldn't happen, but surprise * surprise * DeVos also happens to have his badges).
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Sorry, I thought it was you arguing that earlier. Anyway, I would call that list a 'few' if you were to compare it to the list of coaches that tried and failed without their badges and the list of coaches who have them and have succeeded.
Anyway, did you listen to the whole bit on TFC? I thought they made many good points about the hire. De Vos even admitted that leadership is more important than badges, right off the top. But his points about the badges were excellent and I never took his position as one coming from envy, as you did suggest.
Finally, if you are going to listen to Alexi Lalas over Jason De Vos, well I guess we will have to part ways there.... I have a very low opinion of Lalas.
I hold an OSA amateur coaching badge.
I don't know how the pro badges differ, but the focus for the amateur badge was on how to teach players.
That's very useful, but doesn't make one a winning coach in and of itself. If the pro badges are similar, then it would be only one factor in making a good coach.
It's like a high school teaching certificate. It means you've been taught how to handle a group of 30-odd students and how to manage workflow. It doesn't mean you actually know what you are talking about, and I'm sure most of us have had a teacher or two that didn't.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Now This....
Nelsen fails to go gracefully, Herbert in dark
OUT OF THE LOOP: All Whites' coach Ricki Herbert is yet to hear from his captain Ryan Nelsen about whether he plans to retire from international football.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/8169918/Nelsen-fails-to-go-gracefully-Herbert-in-dark
My concern for Nelsen actually isn't with the lack of badges. I think that the lack of coaching experience is a much bigger issue. It's partially made up for by being captain of so many teams, but every coach who was a former player will tell you that it's difficult when you start to know how to translate your playing skills into coaching ones.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Stephen Hart is more qualified than Nelsen and he has better knowledge in our region than Nelsen. It will interesting to see what Hart can do with players who can finish their chances. Unlike Nelsen and Payne, Hart has knowledge on Canadian soccer landscape which is important because TFC success is going to lie on Canadian soccer players.
Now that I think of it. Why are you showing us that list? Where did I say that it was impossible for a coach to succeed without the badges and furthermore that it had never happened before. I don't get your point there.
That wasn't a tweet from Lalas, it was to Lalas from Jason Kreis. Kreis was saying that as someone who has a badge and has won an MLS cup it isn't that important.
The point is, that it doesn't matter if you have your badges or not and people like Devos should not thinking the entire world of coaching is going to be destroyed because someone without their badge is getting a professional coaching job. As I pointed out, it is not uncommon for ex players to go straight into coaching without their badges and succeed.
"entire world of coaching is going to be destroyed" - that is a bit of an overstatement and not anything he said or alluded to.
"it is not uncommon for ex players to go straight into coaching without their badges and succeed" - does that mean it is preferable that they do not have their badges? Otherwise, I do not get your point. The IKEA monkey could succeed at coaching TFC, but it is less likely than a human succeeding when viewed at the outset of their being hired. Nelsen could turn out to be the next Bill Shankly. But, from the outset it seems less likely that he would compared to someone who has had training.
I simply cannot accept that it is better that someone has no training when entering a new field or profession. Is it possible that they can still succeed? To be sure. But is it more likely to be a success than someone with training? I doubt it.
We are talking about the optics of the hire. We cannot measure success until he starts. People seem to be saying that it is better that he has no badges. I still cannot fathom why that is counted as a plus.
I have never once said it was better not to have badges, that is twice now that you have said that. I don't think coaching badges are a valid point to get caught up on. Badges or not, some coaches succeed and some fail. If you look at the numbers there seems to be no correlation between success and coaching badges. I am not saying Nelsen will be a success, but I am saying you can't automatically say he will be a failure because he doesn't have badges.
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