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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Anything that gets Maund off our team is a plus but I would still rate Braun higher than Wiedeman and he's shown more than Amerikwa as well. Decent depth deal even without the whole getting better by subtraction thing.
    Can't agree more with that. I noticed the release said Maund is a defender. Did Mariner know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    You think he was the only one who had a horrible match down there in Honduras? We had nine other players out there just as bad on that day, especially in midfield. Besides, that's international play. He was quite good in league play last season and has been fairly solid for a quite a few years.
    Gotta say, I agree with you 100% here. Hainault was hardly the only person who looked bad that day, and I don't hold the result against him any more than I do any of the other players. Yes, I still cringe when I think of that match, but I don't remember that match as being the one where "Hainault crapped the bed" or any one other individual - we sucked as a collective unit that day, and it should have no bearing on the kind of reception a player should get if they were to come here to play for TFC. I for one would welcome Hainault, he'd be an obvious upgrade over what we've got, and could be a much needed mentor for the likes of Morgan, etc.

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    Braun seems decent when in Chivas USA at least from what i remember. Considering we lost maund i think TFC is bringing in help at CM. We have torsten and Dunfield Stinson. I also think that Wiedeman is as good as gone at his salary.

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    I can take having a useless striker over a useless central midfield/defender any day. Maund was absolutely brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19Barrett19 View Post
    Braun seems decent when in Chivas USA at least from what i remember. Considering we lost maund i think TFC is bringing in help at CM. We have torsten and Dunfield Stinson. I also think that Wiedeman is as good as gone at his salary.
    My god. Its about how good someone is for the money your paying them. Dunfied makes chump change so he's worth what we pay him. Braun is a good depth guy at around 65-80k. 100+k makes him over payed for a targetman who can't poach. He won't be potting the ball in the net a ton, so where exactly are the goals going to come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    someone traded for Maund? LOL
    Someone who knows what they are doing. Interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    Someone who knows what they are doing. Interesting...
    Watch Maund turn out to be a decent CB .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Watch Maund turn out to be a decent CB .
    If Maund turns into a legend Ex-TFC like everyone else seems to, we know we are cursed. He's a bum.

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    Justin Braun is more than a depth player. He has scored 24 goals and 13 assists in 78 games as a starter in his MLS career, and he's only 25.

    Solid trade in my opinion.

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    Mariner is probably crying that Payne traded one of his players away. Hopefully Payne continues to waive or trade Mariner's players.

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    $441,500
    this is the amount saved on dumping Maund, Cann, Harden, Lindsey, Cordon, Williams. On base MLS salary. Picking up Braun put us 100,000 + so thats $341,500. Look at is this way harden made 90+K last year!

    Oh yeah add Makabuya to that list as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    Mariner is probably crying that Payne traded one of his players away. Hopefully Payne continues to waive or trade Mariner's players.
    Maybe he can sneak Mariner into one of his trades too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    expensive depth. I think Braun is at 150k, and his contract may be expired, but he can't cut it at Mtl and esp in RSL that could use any half decent striker. I don't know. got mixed feelings about this trade.
    $104k. A bit pricey but when thinking about it, a savings over Johnson, a player of a comparable strike rate and whom I think will be cut.

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    What I find odd about this is that Mariner loved the guy. He played him all the time ahead of far better players. It's surprising to me that we'd then turn around and trade him... but I suppose this clearly shows that Payne is in charge here, because I doubt Mariner would've made this move.

    As for the trade itself, meh. I doubt this is something that will have a huge impact. Maund never should've gotten the playing time he did (especially out of position in midfield), he wasn't anywhere near ready. That being said, he didn't show much promise in the time he got either. I don't mind trading him given what we've seen, but if he ends up building a solid career somewhere else, it's proof that we didn't give him enough time to develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    $104k. A bit pricey but when thinking about it, a savings over Johnson, a player of a comparable strike rate and whom I think will be cut.
    2012 stats. 14 games played, no goals, 1 assist. IIRC he wasn't injured for most of the season. (though I could be wrong)
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    What I find odd about this is that Mariner loved the guy. He played him all the time ahead of far better players. It's surprising to me that we'd then turn around and trade him... but I suppose this clearly shows that Payne is in charge here, because I doubt Mariner would've made this move.

    As for the trade itself, meh. I doubt this is something that will have a huge impact. Maund never should've gotten the playing time he did (especially out of position in midfield), he wasn't anywhere near ready. That being said, he didn't show much promise in the time he got either. I don't mind trading him given what we've seen, but if he ends up building a solid career somewhere else, it's proof that we didn't give him enough time to develop.
    Not sure Mariner loved him. I think he looked at his central midfield after Frings got hurt, and realized, after trading JDG, there was no one left to play there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    Not sure Mariner loved him. I think he looked at his central midfield after Frings got hurt, and realized, after trading JDG, there was no one left to play there.
    Matt Stinson hates you lol
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    Braun played 581 min in RSL and MTL combined only started 5 games. that not a lot of playing time is you ask me. On the other side Maund played 947 min + Champions League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    Matt Stinson hates you lol
    Ha, yeah.

    Hey, he was injured....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    Not sure Mariner loved him. I think he looked at his central midfield after Frings got hurt, and realized, after trading JDG, there was no one left to play there.
    Loved is probably too strong a word. But he played him consistently in center mid when he still had Silva, Avila, Dunfield, and Stinson. Silva played forward sometimes, fair enough, but that still leaves Mariner placing Maund above two of those three guys. Hell, did we still have Cordon at that point? I'd probably have at least tried him as well. Or even moved Hall, as bad as he is, into center mid, because Maund was really doing nothing there. I can understand a couple starts here and there, but he was in the starting eleven nearly every time while putting in ghost-like performances. What I mean by this is Mariner must have rated the guy at least decently, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the playing time he did.

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    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk3...-houston_sport

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PttO1JYyX18

    Some nice finishing there. Seems more of a box finisher than a dynamic player, although that first goal against the Red Bulls is pretty special!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohan View Post
    2012 stats. 14 games played, no goals, 1 assist. IIRC he wasn't injured for most of the season. (though I could be wrong)
    Hopped around a bit last year and was obviously unsettled. Showed that he can do the job when with Chivas and he's still young. $104k is a bit pricey but we've overpaid for worse before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    Someone who knows what they are doing. Interesting...
    Why do probably most of us have the feeling that "someone" is not Mariner?

    Quote Originally Posted by TFC07 View Post
    Mariner is probably crying that Payne traded one of his players away. Hopefully Payne continues to waive or trade Mariner's players.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    Maybe he can sneak Mariner into one of his trades too.
    If he can trade him for Thierry Henry, I will officially nominate Payne for GM genius of all time.
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    Portland Timbers trades centre back Eric Brunner to Houston for allocation money:

    http://www.portlandtimbers.com/news/...r-eric-brunner

    Looks like Andre Hainault is on his way out of Houston. Hope TFC is paying attention. Hainault is supposed to make $163,125 next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManUtd4ever View Post
    Justin Braun is more than a depth player. He has scored 24 goals and 13 assists in 78 games as a starter in his MLS career, and he's only 25.

    Solid trade in my opinion.
    Isn't Braun the guy that Preki discovered in an amateur league?

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    Indeed he was.

    "When I was about 15 or 16, I was at a tryout. A coach told me to always play your best because you never know who's watching. That advice played into me becoming a pro. I didn't go the usual route to MLS. I didn't play Division I college soccer. I played with a men's league I Utah. We went to a tournament at the Home Depot Center. [Chivas USA coach] Preki was there looking at another player. I must have played well that day because he invited me to tryout for Chivas USA. So, you see, you never know who's watching."



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    Current Roster
    TOR Quincy Amarikwa 63 FW $44,100.00 $44,100.00
    POR Joe Bendik 55 GK $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR
    Justin Braun
    64
    FW
    $102,000.00
    $104.500.00
    TOR
    Julio Cesar
    68
    MF
    $252,000.00
    $255,750.00
    TOR Terry Dunfield 63 MF $86,000.00 $86,000.00
    TOR
    Richard Eckersley
    61
    DF
    $210,000.00
    $390,000.00
    TOR Logan Emory 60 DF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR
    Stefan Frei
    66
    GK
    $120,000.00
    $175,000.00
    TOR
    Torsten Frings*
    70
    MF
    $2,000,000.00
    $2,413,666.67
    TOR
    Jeremy Hall
    60
    DF
    $100,000.00
    $149,000.00
    TOR
    Eric Hassli*
    68
    FW
    $550,000.00
    $790,000.00
    TOR Doneil Henry 64 DF $44,100.00 $45,100.00
    TOR
    Danny Koevermans*
    70
    FW
    $1,150,000.00
    $1,563,323.33
    TOR Reggie Lambe 67 MF $60,000.00 $62,500.00
    TOR Ashtone Morgan 63 DF $44,000.00 $56,000.00
    TOR
    Darren O'Dea
    67
    DF
    $330,000.00
    $436,250.00
    TOR Joao Plata ?? FW $50,000.00 $50,000.00
    TOR Quillan Roberts 57 GK $33,750.00 $33,750.00
    TOR Luis Silva 64 MF $44,000.00 $79,000.00
    TOR Matthew Stinson 57 MF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR Andrew Wiedeman 58 MF $80,000.00 $123,000.00

    Contracts Released
    COL
    Eric Avila
    65
    MF
    $125,000.00
    $158,000.00
    FA
    Adrian Cann
    63
    DF
    $126,000.00
    $134,750.00
    FA Oscar Cordon 56 MF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    SJ Ty Harden 58 DF $90,000.00 $98,666.67
    FA Nicholas Lindsay 57 FW $44,100.00 $45,100.00
    FA Keith Makubuya 57 FW $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    RSL Aaron Maund 56 DF $44,000.00 $59,000.00
    FA Dicoy Williams 61 DF $52,500.00 $52,500.00
    POR
    Ryan Johnson
    65
    MF
    $137,813.00
    $137,813.00
    POR Milos Kocic 62 GK $44,100.00 $44,100.00
    FA Freddy Hall 62 GK $44,004.00 $44,004.00

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    $795,517
    Justin Braun -$102,000.00
    Joe Bendik -$44,000.00
    Jeremy Hall - $100,000.00
    Andrew Wiedeman - $80,000.00
    Julio Cesar - $252,000.00
    -------------
    Difference $217,517.00
    between 2012 and 2013

    Over $100,000 player contract
    * = Designated Player
    Ratings according to FIFA 13
    Last edited by gracos; 01-15-2013 at 11:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracos View Post
    Current Roster
    TOR Quincy Amarikwa FW $44,100.00 $44,100.00
    TOR Eric Avila MF $125,000.00 $158,000.00
    RSL Justin Braun FW $102,000.00 $104,500.00
    TOR Terry Dunfield MF $86,000.00 $86,000.00
    TOR Richard Eckersley DF $210,000.00 $390,000.00
    TOR Logan Emory DF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR Stefan Frei GK $120,000.00 $175,000.00
    TOR Torsten Frings MF $2,000,000.00 $2,413,666.67(DP)
    TOR Jeremy Hall MF $100,000.00 $149,000.00
    TOR Freddy Hall GK $44,004.00 $44,000.04
    TOR Eric Hassli FW $550,000.00 $790,000.00(DP)
    TOR Doneil Henry DF $44,100.00 $45,100.00
    TOR Ryan Johnson MF $137,813.00 $137,813.00
    TOR Milos Kocic GK $44,100.00 $44,100.00
    TOR Danny Koevermans FW $1,150,000.00 $1,563,323.33(DP)
    TOR Reggie Lambe MF $60,000.00 $62,500.00
    TOR Ashtone Morgan DF $44,000.00 $56,000.00
    TOR Darren O'Dea DF $330,000.00 $436,250.00
    TOR Joao Plata FW $50,000.00 $50,000.00
    TOR Quillan Roberts GK $33,750.00 $33,750.00
    TOR Luis Silva MF $44,000.00 $79,000.00
    TOR Matthew Stinson MF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR Andrew Weideman FW $80,000.00 $123,000.00

    Contracts Released
    TOR Adrian Cann DF $126,000.00 $134,750.00
    TOR Oscar Cordon MF $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR Ty Harden DF $90,000.00 $98,666.67
    TOR Nicholas Lindsay FW $44,100.00 $45,100.00
    TOR Keith Makubuya FW $44,000.00 $44,000.00
    TOR Aaron Maund DF $44,000.00 $59,000.00
    TOR Dicoy Williams DF $52,500.00 $52,500.00
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    $444,600.00
    Justin Braun -$102,000.00
    -------------
    Difference $342,600.00
    between 2012 and 2013
    You can see why TFC is in negotiations with Avila.

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    I'd take hainault and release hall, how is he still on the roster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Watch Maund turn out to be a decent CB .
    Somebody will have to send out a search party first. I don't think I've ever seen anybody who plays professional sports put in such a consistently anonymous performance.

    Justin Braun is alright. Some depth at striker is much appreciated, rather than throwing our hands up in the air once our injury prone starters go down.

 

 

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