On the Tweeter according to Larson: Earl is saying the option in Freddy Hall was declined for next year.
As well, terms can't be met with Avilia so don't expect to see him in TO next year.
On the Tweeter according to Larson: Earl is saying the option in Freddy Hall was declined for next year.
As well, terms can't be met with Avilia so don't expect to see him in TO next year.
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Definitely will miss Kocic, but this league has more than a few good keepers. That being said, Frei has shortcomings and I hope he is willing to work on them.
Would rather us flip at least one of these picks rather than keep both. Draft this year sounds so-so and defender heavy. I'd take one but not two CB projects considering we already have Henry.
Rebuilding with a young athletic team doesn't exactly fill me with joy, but I'll wait until I see the results.
Fills me with more joy than staying with an aging team of hacks though.Originally Posted by ag futbol
A fairly good return, all things considered. It will be up to Payne to make proper use of the allocation vis a vis free agent player acquisitions, and to draft wisely. I would assume that two future starters can be drafted with two of the top three picks in the upcoming draft.
I wish Johnson and Kocic well, as they were significant contributors to our memorable 2011-2012 CCL run.
Agreed that Frei going over to Europe isn't in the cards any time soon. With his injury he'll need at least two seasons of being recognized as an undisputed top 3 MLS keeper before a European team of any significance takes a crack at him.
Gotta say I'm impressed with Payne so far. Canadian Soccer News reported the likely deal was going to be Bendik and allocation for Johnson and Kocic. It happened, but Payne got us a first round pick to boot. Good stuff.
edit: Freddy Hall on his way out? Today keeps getting better and better. Avila was to be expected. I wouldn't have minded keeping him but he was treated pretty poorly. Probably best if he leaves.
Last edited by notthesun; 12-12-2012 at 04:08 PM.
just shows Portland's stupidity. It doesn't justify our own.
But would we really trade our 1st overall pick? This draft doesn't have one standout but depth. Mabye we'll pick a good left or right midfielder.
Perhaps, but not by much though.
I think phily was a good example of a young hungry team this year ( who fired their coach as well). Didn't exactly light it up.
Toronto has definitely opened some cap space in bringing in new players, we have about $800K to play around with from last season to this season excluding Allocation monies
http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html
Last edited by gracos; 12-12-2012 at 04:38 PM.
Gracos that number gets me sooooo excited, where did you work it out though?!?!
Can't wait to see who we bring in!!!
As per Canadian Soccer News:
Below a list of the 18 players currently under contract for 2013 and their estimated cap hit.
Darren O'Dea -- $400,000
Torsten Frings -- $367,000
Danny Koevermans -- $367,000
Eric Hassli -- $367,000
Richard Eckersley -- $220,500
Stefan Frei -- $183,750
Justin Braun -- $107,225
Terry Dunfield -- $90,300
Reggie Lambe -- $63,000
Joao Plata -- $52,500.00
Quincy Amarikwa -- $46,300.00
Joe Bendik -- $46,200
Logan Emory -- $46,100
Doneil Henry -- $0
Ashtone Morgan -- $0
Quillan Roberts -- $0
Luis Silva -- $0
Matt Stinson -- $0
Total estimated cap hit –
$2,356,879
2013 salary cap –
$2,950,000
Remaining cap room –
$639, 325
*Edited - that one had Freddy Hall on it so I adjusted it.
Last edited by Ultra & Proud; 12-12-2012 at 04:26 PM.
O'Dea salary counts as $400,000? What an awful contract. Talk about killing salary cap. lol See, it's signing players like O'Dea that kills this team, not DP's that a lot of people like to point their fingers. DP's are fine to sign as long they live up to their hype (I think it's safe to say Danny K and Frings have been worth taking 350,000 to 400,000 hit on salary cap).
Last edited by TFC07; 12-12-2012 at 04:27 PM.
hell we can add another 46,204.00 to that cap!!! Freddy Hall's option has not been picked up. Also for Darren O'Dea isn't the maximum 367? Thus buying us another 33,000 in CAP space.....
Bringing our remaining Cap room to...
672,325.00 (roughly).
Damn..... we look in good shape;
Johnson was making $137K, a pretty standard salary for a league starter and a team leading scorer. I think a fair salary for him would be $115K but again, you're right that we can get better for less.
I like Braun, he seems to be a player that fits the style Mariner is trying to incorporate (hard-nosed, grinding, 100% effort football). Johnson disappeared when his heart wasn't into it, I can't see Braun letting his determination slip.
Not really. A 25 year old O' Dea has more long term value than a 35 year old Frings. If Frings is dumped you could change O'Dea's contract to a DP one and save another $33k. Actually more than that if we still kept Koevs & Hassli. No guarantee on that though. Not anymore.
Last edited by Ultra & Proud; 12-12-2012 at 04:33 PM.
Not for 400,000 per year. You can bring better talent for half the cost. O'Dea is just championship division reject who couldn't get a contract in 2nd division in England. It's awful cap management from TFC that is making it harder to build quality depth. Frings brings in leadership, skills, IQ and unlike most players, he has played with and against best players in the world. He's worth taking a cap hit.
Currently we have $800K of roster space. It's all calculated here
http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showth...ter-Discussion
The more $$$ the better. Now, let's sign wisely. This Fridays draft should be interesting now. I'd be right in there. For the right price.
I'd agree with you 100%
Also, just to update the other post, its actually $740K in cap space. But either way, lots of room to maneuver
Maybe the worth of a (albeit early) Superdraft pick is not actually as valuable as the consensus seems to believe around these parts?
It seems that proven MLS talent out-weighs the potential the best the NCAA can offer.
I wonder how much mythical allocation money we have?
Ah yes, the mystical and magical "allocation money". I figure we would have a lot considering we missed on the playoffs, we won NCC and we made it to CCL (both of those are separate categories for allocation). Plus with trades like the Portland one, we'll have quite a bit.
How much is anyone's guess, but safe to say we can exceed the $2.95 million cap for 2013.
Proven MLS talent is always valuable, but they tend to become overvalued very quickly. Plus you never know when you can catch lightning in a bottle. There's been a history of success with the first and third SuperDraft picks and, if I were in charge of those picks, it would take a lot of me to give them up.
1 - Both Henry and Morgan signed new deals this year. They will not be at league min and as it's there 2nd contract they won't count as homegrown. I'd imagine Morgan is at about $75-100k and Henry is around $60k.
2- The first highest 20 Salaries count towards the cap. Might be semantics but you have to plug those existing people in as they currently count towards the cap. Right now the only one who won't is Roberts s he's a home grown.
3 - I also believe the league minimum salary increases by 5-10% this year. i just can't remember which it is and don't want to look it up.
When you factor that in we have ~$400k in room (+ allocation) above $46k per signing. What this means is if we sign someone for $100k the impact will only be $54k as they are pushing one of the lower salaried players to slot 21.
Last edited by KGH; 12-12-2012 at 05:14 PM.
They might not be league minimum, but no way did Morgan get anywhere near $100K. $60K is a good guess, but considering the allocation coming our way, it all evens itself out in the end. Plus I addressed the assumption of increased player salaries in the first post.
If i where to guess I would guess the following:
Finishing last: 250K
CCL: 200K
RJ9 trade: 100K
= 550k + 800k= 1.35m
I could be wrong. Some of that money will be used to buy down O'dea's contract to a league minimum that leaves us will a Million dollars to mess with. Add another 70K if we don't use roster spots 29&30. Currently TFC has about 19 players. we need to get to 26 or 27.
Not sure if anyone has posted this but
Toronto FC is negotiating a transfer fee with Swedish side Hammarby for Canadian international midfielder Nik Ledgerwood.
The 27-year-old is looking to escape the Swedish second tier after his club failed to promote last season.
Source: Canadian Soccer News
If true hes looking at around 175k to 200k
Tfc 2013
I agree. It may be December, but I can't wait for the new season.
Payne may cause pain to some of our current players but this is a step in the right direction! Go TFC!
If..if..if. Having all or our eggs tied up in 3 DP's isn't working out so well for us because they are injury prone.
When they were fit and firing, they were great, but based on how much they have been injured I don't agree they are worth the hit.
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